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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 18:49:56 GMT
Stagecoach have registered a number of replacements for Arriva's Guildford routes today. 34 to Camberley via Woking 35 to Camberley via Woking 36 to Burpham and Merrow 37 to Merrow and Burpham 47 Brookwood to West End 53 to Ewhurst via Cranleigh 63 to Horsham via Cranleigh 91 Woking to Knaphill handsbusblog.wordpress.com/2021/10/29/arriva-replacement-registrations |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 7, 2021 16:30:09 GMT
Once Arriva close Guildford, I wonder whether this will help Arriva fall behind Go-Ahead in terms of numbers of buses in the UK?
We need Go-Ahead to make a good takeover, such as Wellglade or CentreBus, to help them leapfrog Arriva. Despite the recent fall in their share price, it is similar to a year ago.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 7, 2021 21:59:24 GMT
Once Arriva close Guildford, I wonder whether this will help Arriva fall behind Go-Ahead in terms of numbers of buses in the UK? We need Go-Ahead to make a good takeover, such as Wellglade or CentreBus, to help them leapfrog Arriva. Despite the recent fall in their share price, it is similar to a year ago. Go Ahead are more likely to be taken over themselves as opposed to takeover someone else. |
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Post by spiffenage on Nov 12, 2021 4:02:55 GMT
Greetings I am new to this but am enthusiast for half a century I haven't browsed the posters so I apologize if I am repeating something I live in Merseyside so I have been familiar with the problems of ARRIVA since 2000.
I think Go Ahead should takeover the provincial Arriva operations, butthey would not be allowed to buy Arriva London
Most other areas could be sold to Go Ahead EXCEPT Newcastle and Durham depots and the Carousel operation in High Wycombe These are the only areas which would have a Go Àhead/Arriva monopoly. Go Ahead would cover most of England and part of North Wales, as well
as reaching the Scottish borders at Berwick. There would be a need for this pro
posed merged company to investing order to catch up.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 12, 2021 10:18:28 GMT
Greetings I am new to this but am enthusiast for half a century I haven't browsed the posters so I apologize if I am repeating something I live in Merseyside so I have been familiar with the problems of ARRIVA since 2000. I think Go Ahead should takeover the provincial Arriva operations, butthey would not be allowed to buy Arriva London Most other areas could be sold to Go Ahead EXCEPT Newcastle and Durham depots and the Carousel operation in High Wycombe These are the only areas which would have a Go Àhead/Arriva monopoly. Go Ahead would cover most of England and part of North Wales, as well as reaching the Scottish borders at Berwick. There would be a need for this pro posed merged company to investing order to catch up. Regarding Carousel, if Arriva was simply to announce it was closing its High Wycombe depot it could transfer some of the work to Aylesbury and deregister the rest, Carousel would then simply register replacement routes and Buckinghamshire County Council would retender anything that wasn't covered commercially. Perhaps as a nod to avoiding a monopoly they could "allow" Reading Buses to register the 800/850. |
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 3, 2021 21:08:12 GMT
I am a bit late with this reply. I suggest Carousel be sold as it is a distinctive operation whereas Arrivas buses would still bear the larger groups livery for a period . However divested Newcastle and Durham buses would still be mixing with GA-A s merged operations should they ever do so
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Post by greenboy on Dec 9, 2021 22:48:03 GMT
The Maidstone park & ride service is being withdrawn on February 19th.
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Post by MoEnviro on Apr 16, 2022 15:33:27 GMT
The 520 in Watford is one of a number of routes being withdrawn today, as part of the network changes. Which see the 321 extended tomorrow from Watford Town Centre to Maple Cross and Berry Lane Estate. A number of sister vehicles to the one photographed have moved to Luton in preparation of the extra PVR on the 321. It would be interesting to see how reliable the 321 becomes with a morning peak journey time from Luton to Maple Cross becoming 3 mins short of 3 hours. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2022 9:04:59 GMT
The 520 in Watford is one of a number of routes being withdrawn today, as part of the network changes. Which see the 321 extended tomorrow from Watford Town Centre to Maple Cross and Berry Lane Estate. A number of sister vehicles to the one photographed have moved to Luton in preparation of the extra PVR on the 321. It would be interesting to see how reliable the 321 becomes with a morning peak journey time from Luton to Maple Cross becoming 3 mins short of 3 hours. These changes definitely seemed more complicated than they needed to be. The overall change is basically the removal of part of the 8's routeing north of Watford, plus some frequency cuts. A simpler version might have been: - A shorter extension of the lengthy 321 to Holywell Estate (rather than Rickmansworth and Maple Cross). Also means all 321 services terminate at the same place. - Routes 320/520 kept unchanged. - Route 8 maintained to Abbots Langley, but diverted via the 10. - Route 10 withdrawn. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 17, 2022 12:50:20 GMT
The 520 in Watford is one of a number of routes being withdrawn today, as part of the network changes. Which see the 321 extended tomorrow from Watford Town Centre to Maple Cross and Berry Lane Estate. A number of sister vehicles to the one photographed have moved to Luton in preparation of the extra PVR on the 321. It would be interesting to see how reliable the 321 becomes with a morning peak journey time from Luton to Maple Cross becoming 3 mins short of 3 hours. These changes definitely seemed more complicated than they needed to be. The overall change is basically the removal of part of the 8's routeing north of Watford, plus some frequency cuts. A simpler version might have been: - A shorter extension of the lengthy 321 to Holywell Estate (rather than Rickmansworth and Maple Cross). Also means all 321 services terminate at the same place. - Routes 320/520 kept unchanged. - Route 8 maintained to Abbots Langley, but diverted via the 10. - Route 10 withdrawn. Sadly, this is provincial land where they seemingly enjoy making life harder for people, well most operators anyway |
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 18, 2022 0:18:00 GMT
These changes definitely seemed more complicated than they needed to be. The overall change is basically the removal of part of the 8's routeing north of Watford, plus some frequency cuts. A simpler version might have been: - A shorter extension of the lengthy 321 to Holywell Estate (rather than Rickmansworth and Maple Cross). Also means all 321 services terminate at the same place. - Routes 320/520 kept unchanged. - Route 8 maintained to Abbots Langley, but diverted via the 10. - Route 10 withdrawn. Not originally reported is that there will be an hourly service Mon - Sat daytime over the 8's old routeing as far as Leavesden Park, numbered 9. I agree that the changes are overcomplicated and am far from convinced that the 321 will be reliable with the extension. However diverting it to the Holywell Estate would be a frequency cut to there, as would having the 8 cover the 10's northern section. Leaving the 320's withdrawal to one side for the moment, perhaps the 9 would be better running through to Maple Cross with Watford - Rickmansworth Berry Lane Estate its own service, leaving the 321 to terminate in the town as it did previously. The 320's withdrawal has also broken the Garston - Hemel Hempstead link. I'm local to the area and while I'm able to walk to a stop served by the 20 there will be plenty of people who would either seriously struggle, or simply find it inconvenient and not travel by bus. While loadings on buses in the area have seemed very mixed in recent times, the impression I've had is that the 320 was relatively well used (though this may be down to the time of day I'm likely to see or use a bus close to home compared to, say, the 500 to Aylesbury). Meanwhile a few mid-evening 321 journeys from Watford have been almost full through through to Garston and it may be that the route struggles to cope on its own, that said some may be put off by the frequency cut over the common section which makes it much less of a turn-up-and-go service - though it could be argued that that stopped being the case when the 321 was evened out to a 20 minute frequency with the two routes' timetables no longer meshing nicely. One of the issues with Arriva in Watford during the 2010s, if not before, has been that the better performing routes would be rewarded with investment while others declined, with little seemingly attempted to break the cycle. The 10's Centros from 2007 were replaced with Versas in 2013 with the frequency going up to 6bph at that time. This did attract more passengers however some may have been won from the parallel 8, the routes being a short walk away with overlapping catchment areas but each being less convenient for people on the far side of the other route. After the withdrawal of the 2 back in the 2000s, route 8 was Arriva's only service along Harebreaks, and that combined with the 8's rerouteing via Leavesden Park left Kingswood poorly served - the brief extension of the 324 later on not being successful since, running first via the Tudor and Meriden estates, it was very much a long way round. Speaking of the 324 via the Meriden, that always seemed a poor replacement for route 1 which in its various forms during the 2000s was 3bph. It later became purely a Garston - Watford service, up to 5bph at one time due to the competition with Mullanys, which never seemed sustainable, before they pulled out and Arriva ran the 324 as a half hourly service from Maple Cross. After around 5 years or so it was withdrawn entirely, leaving that part of town with Uno's lengthy 635 on an irregular frequency and replacement local services W1-4 operated by Red Eagle, the variations depending on time of day and with Saturday different from the week - none of the above making for easy to remember timetables. In the 1990s and even somewhat during the 2000s Watford's bus network was still recognisable as having evolved from London Country's Watfordwide scheme in the late 1970s (not that I'm old enough to remember that) but since then there has certainly been a decline in Arriva's operations and while other operators such as Sullivan Buses have taken over some services, what's left is rather patchy, less likely to be seen as an easy to use network to get around the town and increasingly made up of less reliable interurban routes with 'round the houses' sections (e.g. 20, 635) and low-frequency 'secondary' services (9, W1-4, W20, etc). Of course the various reasons for this decline are not too hard to work out as they are common throughout a lot of towns throughout the country but it shows that investment and support is vital and, without trying to start too much of a debate here, I would say that Watford is a good example of a town where bus deregulation is no longer a success. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 21, 2022 21:18:05 GMT
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Post by greenboy on May 21, 2022 8:23:05 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 19, 2022 15:32:43 GMT
Arriva seems to be doing OK in Stevenage though. They have taken on the 390 from Richmond's Coaches from 12th June and are to take on the SB10 from A2B Travel on 26th June, this means that they will operate all bus services in Stevenage except Uno 635 and Centrebus 44, 45 and 80.
The new bus station will open on Sunday 26th June.
Arriva has won funding for 27 electric vehicles which will be used on Stevenage town routes. A new garage is to be built close to their current Babbage Road site.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 19, 2022 16:52:09 GMT
Arriva seems to be doing OK in Stevenage though. They have taken on the 390 from Richmond's Coaches from 12th June and are to take on the SB10 from A2B Travel on 26th June, this means that they will operate all bus services in Stevenage except Uno 635 and Centrebus 44, 45 and 80. The new bus station will open on Sunday 26th June. Arriva has won funding for 27 electric vehicles which will be used on Stevenage town routes. A new garage is to be built close to their current Babbage Road site. Yes, I was quite pleased to read that having visited the current bus station back in November and saw how antiquated it was though it did at least have actual shelters, in date timetables and working next bus information. Good investment going into Stevenage. Sad to hear about Richmonds and the 390 - glad I rode it when I was up there, very interesting route particularly the narrow country lane sections |
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