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Post by greenboy on Sept 28, 2021 15:27:13 GMT
I’d do much more with the Trams. I’d extend the route from Beckenham Junction through Shortlands to Bromley North with a loop around Bromley Town Centre similar to the loop in Croydon. I’d also go further from Bromley to Bexleyheath following the 269 route through Bickley, Chislehurst, Sidcup, Albany Park and Bexley. I’d replace the Southern services between Beckenham Junction, Birkbeck and Crystal Palace with Trams from Bromley. I’d also do routes from Croydon to Sutton and Kingston. I’d extend from Elmers End to Hayes through Eden Park and West Wickham and then further on to Orpington through Keston and Locksbottom. I’d also extend from New Addington to Biggin Hill and Westerham. I’d extend the Victoria Line from Brixton to Croydon via Streatham. I’d extend the Bakerloo Line from Elephant & Castle to Lewisham via Old Kent Road & New Cross, and then to Bromley North via Grove Park and to Dartford both via Bexleyheath and via Sidcup. I’d extend the Elizabeth Line from Abbey Wood to Dartford. I’d extend the DLR from the Beckton branch to Thamesmead, Abbey Wood and Bexleyheath, from Woolwich Arsenal to Eltham, and from Lewisham to Hayes via Catford Bridge (running along side my Tram extentiom from Elmers End to Hayes). I think outer South East and South West London deserves a better transport network. It would be nice to have more trams and there are quite a few sections of heavy rail that can be incorporated into it like the Bromley North to Grove Park and the Greenford branch, just look how Manchester Metrolink has grown.
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Nov 24, 2021 23:10:11 GMT
Victoria Line Extension to West Croydon via: Tulse Hill West Norwood Streatham Thornton Heath Selhurst (renamed to South Norwood) West Croydon
This one is just a development of an idea i have seen already in the thread This one below is very unrealistic and has a lot of weaknesses so purely fantasy
New line - no name currently Takes over the whole Edgware Road-Wimbledon section of the District and extended to West Croydon via Raynes Park New Malden Kingston Hampton Court Tolworth Morden Mitcham Junc Sutton Wallington West Croydon Also extended from Edgware Road to Wembley Park with new tunnels to Kilburn and follows the Jubilee to Wembley Park Gives South London some vital Central London links
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2021 7:57:36 GMT
Victoria Line Extension to West Croydon via: Tulse Hill West Norwood Streatham Thornton Heath Selhurst (renamed to South Norwood) West Croydon This one is just a development of an idea i have seen already in the thread This one below is very unrealistic and has a lot of weaknesses so purely fantasy New line - no name currently Takes over the whole Edgware Road-Wimbledon section of the District and extended to West Croydon via Raynes Park New Malden Kingston Hampton Court Tolworth Morden Mitcham Junc Sutton Wallington West Croydon Also extended from Edgware Road to Wembley Park with new tunnels to Kilburn and follows the Jubilee to Wembley Park Gives South London some vital Central London links All of those places are already connected to Central London by SWR, Southern and Thameslink.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 11:24:51 GMT
Victoria Line Extension to West Croydon via: Tulse Hill West Norwood Streatham Thornton Heath Selhurst (renamed to South Norwood) West Croydon This one is just a development of an idea i have seen already in the thread This one below is very unrealistic and has a lot of weaknesses so purely fantasy New line - no name currently Takes over the whole Edgware Road-Wimbledon section of the District and extended to West Croydon via Raynes Park New Malden Kingston Hampton Court Tolworth Morden Mitcham Junc Sutton Wallington West Croydon Also extended from Edgware Road to Wembley Park with new tunnels to Kilburn and follows the Jubilee to Wembley Park Gives South London some vital Central London links Your second line is a bit all over the place geographically, like going as far as Hampton Court then turning back to Tolworth. I'd probably go straight from New Malden to Morden, it would be a lot quicker
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2021 11:33:14 GMT
Victoria Line Extension to West Croydon via: Tulse Hill West Norwood Streatham Thornton Heath Selhurst (renamed to South Norwood) West Croydon This one is just a development of an idea i have seen already in the thread This one below is very unrealistic and has a lot of weaknesses so purely fantasy New line - no name currently Takes over the whole Edgware Road-Wimbledon section of the District and extended to West Croydon via Raynes Park New Malden Kingston Hampton Court Tolworth Morden Mitcham Junc Sutton Wallington West Croydon Also extended from Edgware Road to Wembley Park with new tunnels to Kilburn and follows the Jubilee to Wembley Park Gives South London some vital Central London links Your second line is a bit all over the place geographically, like going as far as Hampton Court then turning back to Tolworth. I'd probably go straight from New Malden to Morden, it would be a lot quicker Better off leaving out Morden and doing a loop from Kingston to Surbiton via Hampton Court, then Epsom, Banstead, Sutton, Carshalton and Croydon. But that’s just replicating existing rail lines. Would also cost a fortune with digging under the Thames, buying residential housing for access points. It would also have to be deep-level because of the Thames and the infrastructure above. Thank god it’s a fantasy line.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 25, 2021 18:24:03 GMT
I’d do much more with the Trams. I’d extend the route from Beckenham Junction through Shortlands to Bromley North with a loop around Bromley Town Centre similar to the loop in Croydon. I’d also go further from Bromley to Bexleyheath following the 269 route through Bickley, Chislehurst, Sidcup, Albany Park and Bexley. I’d replace the Southern services between Beckenham Junction, Birkbeck and Crystal Palace with Trams from Bromley. I’d also do routes from Croydon to Sutton and Kingston. I’d extend from Elmers End to Hayes through Eden Park and West Wickham and then further on to Orpington through Keston and Locksbottom. I’d also extend from New Addington to Biggin Hill and Westerham. I’d extend the Victoria Line from Brixton to Croydon via Streatham. I’d extend the Bakerloo Line from Elephant & Castle to Lewisham via Old Kent Road & New Cross, and then to Bromley North via Grove Park and to Dartford both via Bexleyheath and via Sidcup. I’d extend the Elizabeth Line from Abbey Wood to Dartford. I’d extend the DLR from the Beckton branch to Thamesmead, Abbey Wood and Bexleyheath, from Woolwich Arsenal to Eltham, and from Lewisham to Hayes via Catford Bridge (running along side my Tram extentiom from Elmers End to Hayes). I think outer South East and South West London deserves a better transport network. It would be nice to have more trams and there are quite a few sections of heavy rail that can be incorporated into it like the Bromley North to Grove Park and the Greenford branch, just look how Manchester Metrolink has grown. I wonder what a tram network based on Romford would look like? It could possibly take over the Romford-Upminster line and also Upminster-Grays via Ockendon, with a number of new stations in Thurrock - at the moment the line passes alongside a huge housing estate with only one station at its northern end. At Upminster the trams would cross the rail lines on a segregated viaduct, with high-level platforms.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2021 19:21:53 GMT
It would be nice to have more trams and there are quite a few sections of heavy rail that can be incorporated into it like the Bromley North to Grove Park and the Greenford branch, just look how Manchester Metrolink has grown. I wonder what a tram network based on Romford would look like? It could possibly take over the Romford-Upminster line and also Upminster-Grays via Ockendon, with a number of new stations in Thurrock - at the moment the line passes alongside a huge housing estate with only one station at its northern end. At Upminster the trams would cross the rail lines on a segregated viaduct, with high-level platforms. Wouldn't that mean that Ockendon and Chafford Hundred lose their direct service to Fenchurch Street & other London stations, especially with the latter as the station for Lakeside?
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Post by rugbyref on Nov 26, 2021 9:07:42 GMT
Can we include tram routes? I would like to see a tram from Harrow to Heathrow Airport, running along the X140 route to Hayes, then with two branches: - via Harlington to Hatton Cross, Terminal 4, Cargo Centre and Terminal 5 (and could possibly loop back via Bath Road to Harlington Corner) - via M4 spur (dedicated bus and tram lane) and in tunnel to Central Area with a loop serving Terminals 2 and 3 and bus station (and also Terminal 1 when rebuilt). There are possibilities beyond Harrow, e.g. Edgware and Wembley which are both poorly connected to Heathrow Airport. As much of the route as possible would be on its own reserved right-of-way, possibly shared with bus services in some locations. How about a spur into RAF Northolt, so that smaller airliners can use Northolt’s runway and remove the need for Heathrow to build a new runway?
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Post by M1104 on Jan 17, 2022 12:38:44 GMT
This is more of a station upgrade fantasy for Clapham Common and Clapham North Stations:
Have both station walls from each station fully excavated¹ back considerable distances to allow for new tunneling, tracks and platforms. The present island platform could then be equally extended both sides (filling up both tracks) to the new platforms, effectively giving the Claphams more of a spacious platform area along the lines of stations like Nine Elms and Hatton Cross on the respective Northern and Piccadilly Line extensions.
This modification would allow the Claphams to maintain their existing entrances to their platforms. However the stairwells to the platform could be widen so as to install escalators on both sides...effectively making Clapham North (if my memory serves me correct) stepless entrance all the way from street level.
As Clapham Common and Clapham North are neighbouring stations the new tunnels could continue all the way through between the two stations (as opposed to merging back to the existing tunnel only to branch off again).
¹ - barring in mind issues such as the vent grills on Clapham North's southbound station walls
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 17, 2022 13:29:38 GMT
This is more of a station upgrade fantasy for Clapham Common and Clapham North Stations: Have both station walls from each station fully excavated¹ back considerable distances to allow for new tunneling, tracks and platforms. The present island platform could then be equally extended both sides (filling up both tracks) to the new platforms, effectively giving the Claphams more of a spacious platform area along the lines of stations like Nine Elms and Hatton Cross on the respective Northern and Piccadilly Line extensions. This modification would allow the Claphams to maintain their existing entrances to their platforms. However the stairwells to the platform could be widen so as to install escalators on both sides...effectively making Clapham North (if my memory serves me correct) stepless entrance all the way from street level. As Clapham Common and Clapham North are neighbouring stations the new tunnels could continue all the way through between the two stations (as opposed to merging back to the existing tunnel only to branch off again). ¹ - barring in mind issues such as the vent grills on Clapham North's southbound station walls Ideally, if there is a good enough business case to expand Clapham North and Clapham Common stations, I would like to see them completely rebuilt with lift access from street level to platforms. I expect though that would mean acquiring and demolishing commercial premises, although the rebuilt stations themselves could provide new commercial opportunities at street level. A low(er) cost solution would be to construct a new side platform alongside one of the running lines, the existing platform would then serve only the remaining line and would be fenced off at the other side. Rather like some of the stations on the Glasgow Subway.
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Post by snowman on Jan 17, 2022 15:24:25 GMT
This is more of a station upgrade fantasy for Clapham Common and Clapham North Stations: Have both station walls from each station fully excavated¹ back considerable distances to allow for new tunneling, tracks and platforms. The present island platform could then be equally extended both sides (filling up both tracks) to the new platforms, effectively giving the Claphams more of a spacious platform area along the lines of stations like Nine Elms and Hatton Cross on the respective Northern and Piccadilly Line extensions. This modification would allow the Claphams to maintain their existing entrances to their platforms. However the stairwells to the platform could be widen so as to install escalators on both sides...effectively making Clapham North (if my memory serves me correct) stepless entrance all the way from street level. As Clapham Common and Clapham North are neighbouring stations the new tunnels could continue all the way through between the two stations (as opposed to merging back to the existing tunnel only to branch off again). ¹ - barring in mind issues such as the vent grills on Clapham North's southbound station walls Ideally, if there is a good enough business case to expand Clapham North and Clapham Common stations, I would like to see them completely rebuilt with lift access from street level to platforms. I expect though that would mean acquiring and demolishing commercial premises, although the rebuilt stations themselves could provide new commercial opportunities at street level. A low(er) cost solution would be to construct a new side platform alongside one of the running lines, the existing platform would then serve only the remaining line and would be fenced off at the other side. Rather like some of the stations on the Glasgow Subway. Actually 2 new station tunnels were built in early 1940s as part of an Express tube proposal, and fitted out as deep level air raid shelters, with intention of converting them after the war. Entrances exist both ends (in case one was bombed). They are still there. Not easy, but in theory could be used if wanted a head start on enlarging the station.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 17, 2022 18:59:22 GMT
Ideally, if there is a good enough business case to expand Clapham North and Clapham Common stations, I would like to see them completely rebuilt with lift access from street level to platforms. I expect though that would mean acquiring and demolishing commercial premises, although the rebuilt stations themselves could provide new commercial opportunities at street level. A low(er) cost solution would be to construct a new side platform alongside one of the running lines, the existing platform would then serve only the remaining line and would be fenced off at the other side. Rather like some of the stations on the Glasgow Subway. Actually 2 new station tunnels were built in early 1940s as part of an Express tube proposal, and fitted out as deep level air raid shelters, with intention of converting them after the war. Entrances exist both ends (in case one was bombed). They are still there. Not easy, but in theory could be used if wanted a head start on enlarging the station. The tunnels under Clapham are all in use currently so would have to contact whoever has ownership of them.
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Post by towerman on Jan 17, 2022 21:52:58 GMT
Bakerloo Line Once ‘extended’ to Lewisham I would have the following branches; Bromley North calling at: Hither Green, Grove Park, Sunbridge Prk & Bromley North Hayes via Catford Bridge Beckenham Junction via Catford Bridge Northern Line Extended from Battersea Power Stn to Clapham Junction Victoria Line Extended from Brixton via Herne Hill & Tulse Hill The original idea was to extend the Victoria Line to Croydon via Streatham & Thornton Heath but British Rail put a block on it complaining it would lose custom.Same thing happened with the Morden extension of the Northern Line,it was supposed to go further south but The Southern Railway objected.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 17, 2022 22:09:35 GMT
Bakerloo Line Once ‘extended’ to Lewisham I would have the following branches; Bromley North calling at: Hither Green, Grove Park, Sunbridge Prk & Bromley North Hayes via Catford Bridge Beckenham Junction via Catford Bridge Northern Line Extended from Battersea Power Stn to Clapham Junction Victoria Line Extended from Brixton via Herne Hill & Tulse Hill The original idea was to extend the Victoria Line to Croydon via Streatham & Thornton Heath but British Rail put a block on it complaining it would lose custom.Same thing happened with the Morden extension of the Northern Line,it was supposed to go further south but The Southern Railway objected. That's really interesting to know as I've often wondered why Croydon was never considered in the planning of the London Underground network and the closest it gets is Morden. However it already has excellent train connections into Central London so I can see why the rail operators blocked the extensions, then came the trams improving rail connectivity further.
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Post by thekbq14 on Jan 20, 2022 1:18:21 GMT
The original idea was to extend the Victoria Line to Croydon via Streatham & Thornton Heath but British Rail put a block on it complaining it would lose custom.Same thing happened with the Morden extension of the Northern Line,it was supposed to go further south but The Southern Railway objected. That's really interesting to know as I've often wondered why Croydon was never considered in the planning of the London Underground network and the closest it gets is Morden. However it already has excellent train connections into Central London so I can see why the rail operators blocked the extensions, then came the trams improving rail connectivity further. The Victoria line from what I'm aware was based of a route going from Finsbury Park to Croydon (which ironically is now linked by Thameslink so many years later), it then got changed by it going to Chingford to Croydon, then getting cut to Wood Street to Brixton, then Walthamstow Central to Brixton(Walthamstow Central, Wood Street and Chingford are still linked now by Overground trains, with that and costs being why it got cut). With the reason like you said that Croydon is already highly connected with Main Line trains that get to Central London quicker then the tube would, and also this was straight after the war and the government wanting to costs hence the Victoria line having it's express/interchange like service. Northern line was poised to go Sutton replacing half the Sutton loop but that never happened and District Line also to Sutton through the other side of the loop, but both got denied by Southern Railway at the time. Would've been interesting to see how South London would be like now, yes the Sutton extensions went ahead through Thameslink, but they're not as busy as the Northern or District line. With Croydon yes, Main Line trains are faster to Central London and Thameslink and even the Overground to a certain degree links the area to North London but a link between Croydon and Brixton would be popular the 109 the main route between the two towns is a busy route that's poised to traffic, a tube line between the two will cut this journey time down and reduce traffic on the A23. I've always found it a weird journey as it's a straight line not much towns in between - Thornton Heath, Norbury and Streatham, yet feels like an age to get there taking up to an hour at times.
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