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Post by greenboy on Dec 20, 2021 13:23:02 GMT
Said this before. Connect London Overground at New Cross to Mainline this could open 8tph increase of 4 to Dartford, Orpington and maybe Bromley North. Service from Gillingham, Peckham Rye/East Dulwich to Brighton. A Bromley North extension would be wonderful but as mentioned conflicting movements between Hither Green and Grove Park would cause lots of problems, a better idea would be to have the Bakerloo Line have a extension to Bromley North via Hither Green & Grove Park with an LO extension to Hither Green via Lewisham and using the sidings beyond the station (SE do this sometimes if they turn services at HGR), but some services would need to be removed from Lewisham in order to cater for LO extension from New Cross which would have to be the Via Sidcup & Orpington services. Running 5 car overground services to Dartford or Orpington would mean replacing some 10/12 car peak metro services and would be crush loaded so only an Extension as far as Hither Green or Sidcup would be a sensible option That's the crux of it, any LO extension south of New Cross would mean 5 car trains replacing 10/12 car SE trains. There's an interesting video explaining the conundrum of the Bromley North branch........ youtu.be/4C2JDzIeSuM
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Post by someone on Jan 1, 2022 12:17:22 GMT
A Bromley North extension would be wonderful but as mentioned conflicting movements between Hither Green and Grove Park would cause lots of problems, a better idea would be to have the Bakerloo Line have a extension to Bromley North via Hither Green & Grove Park with an LO extension to Hither Green via Lewisham and using the sidings beyond the station (SE do this sometimes if they turn services at HGR), but some services would need to be removed from Lewisham in order to cater for LO extension from New Cross which would have to be the Via Sidcup & Orpington services. Running 5 car overground services to Dartford or Orpington would mean replacing some 10/12 car peak metro services and would be crush loaded so only an Extension as far as Hither Green or Sidcup would be a sensible option That's the crux of it, any LO extension south of New Cross would mean 5 car trains replacing 10/12 car SE trains. There's an interesting video explaining the conundrum of the Bromley North branch........ youtu.be/4C2JDzIeSuMI'm surprised no one has really thought of this option before, but I'd say the best option to solve this problem would be to replace the single-track section at around Grove Park with the track that carries on towards Platform 1 being replaced by a track that merges in to Platform 2 and a tunnel constructed underneath the track bed before the station for trains going towards the station. This would join with the London-bound platforms (4 and 5) with the track layout being slightly broadened in the area to cope with this.
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Post by someone on Jan 1, 2022 13:29:05 GMT
Possible Hull Trains Liverpool Street-Hull service idea (4t/d) Calling points: Cambridge, Peterborough, Newark North Gate, Retford, Doncaster, Selby, Howden, Brough
Possible Grand Central King's Cross-Cleethorpes service idea (4t/d) Calling points: Doncaster, S'thorpe, Barnetby (for Humberside Airport), Grimsby Town
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 1, 2022 16:34:01 GMT
That's the crux of it, any LO extension south of New Cross would mean 5 car trains replacing 10/12 car SE trains. There's an interesting video explaining the conundrum of the Bromley North branch........ youtu.be/4C2JDzIeSuMI'm surprised no one has really thought of this option before, but I'd say the best option to solve this problem would be to replace the single-track section at around Grove Park with the track that carries on towards Platform 1 being replaced by a track that merges in to Platform 2 and a tunnel constructed underneath the track bed before the station for trains going towards the station. This would join with the London-bound platforms (4 and 5) with the track layout being slightly broadened in the area to cope with this. I suspect this would have a very poor business case! A hell of a lot of expense to link in two stations that are never going to justify more than 3tph. My favoured solution (I have mentioned this before) would be a conversion to a light rail shuttle, possibly even a tram with street running through to Bromley South and an extra stop at New Street Hill. As a self-contained light rail shuttle a 10-minute frequency could be justified. Bromley Council did once propose extension of the Beckenham Junction Tramlink line to Bromley Town Centre and it is conceivable that this could continue on to Grove Park.
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Post by someone on Jan 1, 2022 18:25:25 GMT
I'm surprised no one has really thought of this option before, but I'd say the best option to solve this problem would be to replace the single-track section at around Grove Park with the track that carries on towards Platform 1 being replaced by a track that merges in to Platform 2 and a tunnel constructed underneath the track bed before the station for trains going towards the station. This would join with the London-bound platforms (4 and 5) with the track layout being slightly broadened in the area to cope with this. I suspect this would have a very poor business case! A hell of a lot of expense to link in two stations that are never going to justify more than 3tph. My favoured solution (I have mentioned this before) would be a conversion to a light rail shuttle, possibly even a tram with street running through to Bromley South and an extra stop at New Street Hill. As a self-contained light rail shuttle a 10-minute frequency could be justified. Bromley Council did once propose extension of the Beckenham Junction Tramlink line to Bromley Town Centre and it is conceivable that this could continue on to Grove Park. That would probably be around as expensive, not to mention risky. I'd say that the re-arrangement idea is probably the most realistic to go for, although like you said, a tram line could be useful. Perhaps 4-car trains could operate on this service, with Bromley North being expanded to fit 4-car trains (Sundridge Park will probably stay the same).
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Post by djs76 on Jan 3, 2022 9:16:38 GMT
4 tracking the WAML as far as Bishops Stortford or even Stansted Airport and improving infrastructure at the London end (to Liverpool Street and also Stratford) to allow a level of service to rival the lines out of Kings Cross. Services could be something like: 2 tph to Cambridge calling Tottenham Hale, Bishops Stortford, Audley End, Whittlesford and Cambridge. 2 tph to Cambridge calling Tott Hale, Broxbourne, Harlow Town, Bishops Stortford then all stations. 2 tph to Stansted calling Tott Hale and Airport only. 2 tph to Stansted calling Tott Hale, Harlow Town, Bishops Stortford and Airport. 2 tph to Bishops Stortford calling Tott Hale, Cheshunt then all stations. 2 tph to Hertford East calling Tott Hale, Cheshunt and all stations. 4 tph to Broxbourne calling all stations.
London terminals would be split between Stratford and Liverpool Street with the Hertford East and Broxbourne services stopping at either Hacnkey Downs or Lea Bridge.
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Post by someone on Jan 29, 2022 23:07:07 GMT
Here's an idea I have been thinking of since mid-2020: London Paddington-Oxford express: Discontinued London Paddington-Didcot Parkway: Extended to Oxford calling at Radley en route London Paddington-Worcester: Stop at Slough omitted
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Post by someone on Apr 4, 2022 12:51:13 GMT
Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (2 trains/hour during the peak) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Grateley, Andover, Whitchurch, Overton, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham Junction
Bristol Temple Meads - Bournemouth Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (many services will also continue to Weymouth) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Southampton Airport Parkway, Southampton Central, Totton, Ashurst New Forest, Beaulieu Road, Brockenhurst, Sway, New Milton, Hinton Admiral, Christchurch, Pokesdown
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 4, 2022 13:59:38 GMT
Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (2 trains/hour during the peak) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Grateley, Andover, Whitchurch, Overton, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham Junction
Bristol Temple Meads - Bournemouth Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (many services will also continue to Weymouth) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Southampton Airport Parkway, Southampton Central, Totton, Ashurst New Forest, Beaulieu Road, Brockenhurst, Sway, New Milton, Hinton Admiral, Christchurch, Pokesdown
Whilst a Bournemouth to Bristol link would be a good idea, I'd think this would sit better under GWR's remit as they'd probably have more resources available to operate it. I can't see Bristol to Waterloo returning anytime soon, especially considering it's much quicker to get to London with GWR and other intermediate stations, such as Salisbury have enough trains as it is.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 4, 2022 15:16:40 GMT
Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (2 trains/hour during the peak) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Grateley, Andover, Whitchurch, Overton, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham Junction
Bristol Temple Meads - Bournemouth Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (many services will also continue to Weymouth) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Southampton Airport Parkway, Southampton Central, Totton, Ashurst New Forest, Beaulieu Road, Brockenhurst, Sway, New Milton, Hinton Admiral, Christchurch, Pokesdown
It's a shame the Somerset & Dorset route between Bath and Bournemouth was closed. That would have been a useful cross-country route (more so than Weymouth although I would keep that too) and would have kept Blandford Forum, Radstock and Midsomer Norton on the rail map.
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Post by Dillon95 on Apr 4, 2022 23:35:52 GMT
I’d join up the Strood to Tonbridge services with the Tonbridge to Redhill services. That would be pretty cool.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2022 23:49:16 GMT
Don't take this one seriously as it merely to satisfy myself but taking an earlier, serious idea of mine of a Victoria to Croydon link via Brixton & Herne Hill, I'd extend the North Downs line to Victoria via this routing and send the incoming battery ex Class 319's to Bristol rather than the Class 165's which would be retained as well as rob some extra ones from elsewhere just so I can hear the diesel roar in my area
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Post by someone on Apr 5, 2022 16:17:13 GMT
Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (2 trains/hour during the peak) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Grateley, Andover, Whitchurch, Overton, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham Junction
Bristol Temple Meads - Bournemouth Operator: South Western Railway Frequency: 1 train/hour (many services will also continue to Weymouth) Calling points: Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Southampton Airport Parkway, Southampton Central, Totton, Ashurst New Forest, Beaulieu Road, Brockenhurst, Sway, New Milton, Hinton Admiral, Christchurch, Pokesdown
Whilst a Bournemouth to Bristol link would be a good idea, I'd think this would sit better under GWR's remit as they'd probably have more resources available to operate it. I can't see Bristol to Waterloo returning anytime soon, especially considering it's much quicker to get to London with GWR and other intermediate stations, such as Salisbury have enough trains as it is. Shame about Bristol-Waterloo, as something similar already exists with London-Exeter and London-Oxford services. And the reason why I put SWR for Bristol-Bournemouth/Weymouth is because GWR already operate a Gloucester-Weymouth via Bristol service, so it would make more sense for a rival operator to run the service instead.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 5, 2022 16:41:13 GMT
Whilst a Bournemouth to Bristol link would be a good idea, I'd think this would sit better under GWR's remit as they'd probably have more resources available to operate it. I can't see Bristol to Waterloo returning anytime soon, especially considering it's much quicker to get to London with GWR and other intermediate stations, such as Salisbury have enough trains as it is. Shame about Bristol-Waterloo, as something similar already exists with London-Exeter and London-Oxford services. And the reason why I put SWR for Bristol-Bournemouth/Weymouth is because GWR already operate a Gloucester-Weymouth via Bristol service, so it would make more sense for a rival operator to run the service instead. I often use the SWR Waterloo to Exeter service and I find it much better, and cheaper, than the GWR service. Obviously it takes longer but not that much if travelling from south of London as it saves the trek to Paddington.
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Post by someone on Apr 6, 2022 10:57:51 GMT
I often use the SWR Waterloo to Exeter service and I find it much better, and cheaper, than the GWR service. Obviously it takes longer but not that much if travelling from south of London as it saves the trek to Paddington. That's why I want to reintroduce the SWR London-Bristol service, as a more regional version of the GWR's services, much like Greater Anglia's London-Cambridge service.
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