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Post by M1104 on Feb 24, 2022 11:34:09 GMT
Hello capital omnibus, One more question, in the 1980/1990s, did the drivers / conductors not call out any stops at all, or only the most important ones? I mean now in London but also in the USA? Thanks again Many greetings Marc In my experience as a 70's and 80's kid I found it was down to the individual conductor, although most only tend to call out on behalf of passenger's request done in advance. We used to have one conductor on the 155 who would call out the stops for the tube stations and markets in Balham, Tooting and Wimbledon....as well as Saint George's Hospital.
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Post by marc224 on Mar 1, 2022 20:12:33 GMT
Hello capital omnibus, One more question, in the 1980/1990s, did the drivers / conductors not call out any stops at all, or only the most important ones? I mean now in London but also in the USA? Thanks again Many greetings Marc In my experience as a 70's and 80's kid I found it was down to the individual conductor, although most only tend to call out on behalf of passenger's request done in advance. We used to have one conductor on the 155 who would call out the stops for the tube stations and markets in Balham, Tooting and Wimbledon....as well as Saint George's Hospital. Hello, thank you for the message. Was it really only the one conductor who did this? Until when would the conductors be on these buses?
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Post by WH241 on Mar 1, 2022 20:37:34 GMT
I honestly can't work out is this thread is a massive wind up
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Post by marc224 on Mar 27, 2022 12:14:55 GMT
Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics.
Tfl wrote me that nowadays when i-Bus is noticed and the automatic announcement of the next stop does not work, the bus driver has to announce each stop manually.
Is this done?
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Post by marc224 on Mar 27, 2022 12:31:14 GMT
Good day my name is Marc Moll. I have a question and would greatly appreciate your help. I have been told that you are the person to contact. It's about the history of bus service in London I had a discussion with an acquaintance about bus stop announcements and displays in the (1970)s or 1980's and 1990's. I will also be writing a class paper on this topic (public transit). My first question is: When were automatic stop announcements and displays introduced on buses and trains? Did the bus driver and tram driver have to shout the stops into the microphone before there were automatic stop announcements and displays? Did bus drivers really do this when they had to announce the stops themselves? Or how were passengers supposed to know where the next stop was? What was it like in London . How was it handled in London by bus/streetcar drivers, did they do it meticulously, did most do it or only half, etc.? Are there many former bus drivers or others who rode the bus frequently in the 1980s/1990s who know what it was really like, or who experienced it themselves? What if the automatic stop announcements and displays on buses and trains fail nowadays, does the driver have to announce the stops as well? Does that sometimes happen? You would help me a lot . I look forward to your reply With kind regards Marc-Marcel Moll The iBus system, which includes automated stop announcements, was rolled out across the whole fleet between 2007 and 2009. Prior to that there had been one or two trials on individual routes - I seem to remember some buses on the 18 were fitted with a basic system in the 1990s, but it didn't work very well. Buses didn't have satellite tracking in those days so it wasn't easy for an on-board system to know where the bus was!
My experience during the 1990s is that some conductors would announce the major stops, but many wouldn't announce any stops at all unless someone had asked them for a particular stop. It was very rare for a conductor to announce all stops on a route. And, as has been said, drivers of OPO (one-person operated) buses very rarely announced any stops at all. Many buses didn't have a working PA system anyway. Also minor bus stops often didn't have names, so there wasn't anything to announce even if they wanted to. I think there was a push to give every stop a name at some point in the 1990s.
If you weren't familiar with an area it was easy to miss your stop, but at least on buses you could look out of the window and read the street signs to get an idea of where you were. Things were a bit trickier on suburban trains. The Underground was not a problem because of the excellent signage on the platforms, but some of the quieter National Rail stations in the suburbs had very few signs on the platforms, so if you weren't paying attention you could easily miss your stop.
These days, if the automated system fails, most drivers will not announce stops. Some might announce the major stops. They will usually call out a particular stop if a passenger asks for it though.
Can you also give me some figures for stastitics? How high do you estimate the percentage of conductors in the 1990s announcing the most important stops? How high do you estimate the number of bus drivers who announced the most important stops after 1990?
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Post by M1104 on Mar 27, 2022 12:36:14 GMT
In my experience as a 70's and 80's kid I found it was down to the individual conductor, although most only tend to call out on behalf of passenger's request done in advance. We used to have one conductor on the 155 who would call out the stops for the tube stations and markets in Balham, Tooting and Wimbledon....as well as Saint George's Hospital. Hello, thank you for the message. Was it really only the one conductor who did this? Until when would the conductors be on these buses? Over the years I only noticed it with very few conductors. Some hardly saying anything at all. Conductors used to be out all day and night (including night buses) until OMO¹ buses gradually phased in from the 1970s through to the early 21st Century. The 159 was the last 'mainstream' route to have conductors, that ending in December 2005. ¹ - One Man Operation, eventually changed to OPO (one person operated)
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Post by vjaska on Mar 27, 2022 13:10:19 GMT
Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics. Tfl wrote me that nowadays when i-Bus is noticed and the automatic announcement of the next stop does not work, the bus driver has to announce each stop manually. Is this done? People have already given this information to you so why do continue to return asking the same questions?
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 27, 2022 13:30:42 GMT
Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics. Tfl wrote me that nowadays when i-Bus is noticed and the automatic announcement of the next stop does not work, the bus driver has to announce each stop manually. Is this done? People have already given this information to you so why do continue to return asking the same questions? Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics. Someone in this thread posited that this thread was a wind-up. Is this true?
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 27, 2022 16:39:48 GMT
Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics. Tfl wrote me that nowadays when i-Bus is noticed and the automatic announcement of the next stop does not work, the bus driver has to announce each stop manually. Is this done? Should not be talking and driving, the PA system should not be in use when driving either...
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 27, 2022 16:54:54 GMT
Hello, I just need as much information as possible to create my statistics. Tfl wrote me that nowadays when i-Bus is noticed and the automatic announcement of the next stop does not work, the bus driver has to announce each stop manually. Is this done? Never known it to happen. Why do you not just give up and accept it does not happen?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 9, 2022 6:46:38 GMT
Good day my name is Marc Moll. I have a question and would greatly appreciate your help. I have been told that you are the person to contact. It's about the history of bus service in London I had a discussion with an acquaintance about bus stop announcements and displays in the (1970)s or 1980's and 1990's. I will also be writing a class paper on this topic (public transit). My first question is: When were automatic stop announcements and displays introduced on buses and trains? Did the bus driver and tram driver have to shout the stops into the microphone before there were automatic stop announcements and displays? Did bus drivers really do this when they had to announce the stops themselves? Or how were passengers supposed to know where the next stop was? What was it like in London . How was it handled in London by bus/streetcar drivers, did they do it meticulously, did most do it or only half, etc.? Are there many former bus drivers or others who rode the bus frequently in the 1980s/1990s who know what it was really like, or who experienced it themselves? What if the automatic stop announcements and displays on buses and trains fail nowadays, does the driver have to announce the stops as well? Does that sometimes happen? You would help me a lot . I look forward to your reply With kind regards Marc-Marcel Moll The iBus system, which includes automated stop announcements, was rolled out across the whole fleet between 2007 and 2009. Prior to that there had been one or two trials on individual routes - I seem to remember some buses on the 18 were fitted with a basic system in the 1990s, but it didn't work very well. Buses didn't have satellite tracking in those days so it wasn't easy for an on-board system to know where the bus was!
My experience during the 1990s is that some conductors would announce the major stops, but many wouldn't announce any stops at all unless someone had asked them for a particular stop. It was very rare for a conductor to announce all stops on a route. And, as has been said, drivers of OPO (one-person operated) buses very rarely announced any stops at all. Many buses didn't have a working PA system anyway. Also minor bus stops often didn't have names, so there wasn't anything to announce even if they wanted to. I think there was a push to give every stop a name at some point in the 1990s.
If you weren't familiar with an area it was easy to miss your stop, but at least on buses you could look out of the window and read the street signs to get an idea of where you were. Things were a bit trickier on suburban trains. The Underground was not a problem because of the excellent signage on the platforms, but some of the quieter National Rail stations in the suburbs had very few signs on the platforms, so if you weren't paying attention you could easily miss your stop.
These days, if the automated system fails, most drivers will not announce stops. Some might announce the major stops. They will usually call out a particular stop if a passenger asks for it though.
Indeed, in 2018 a Metroline driver did tell me the best stop on his 491 for Enfield Lock station.
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Post by marc224 on Apr 17, 2022 19:20:06 GMT
Transport for London TRANSPORT FOR LONDON Ref: 16580880
25 March 2022
Dear Mr Moll
Thank you for your feedback form of 12 March suggesting that drivers make service announcements when the iBus system fails.
We agree with your suggestion, it is part of the guidance we provide to bus operators and it is also included in the Big Red Book bus driver manual. Our advice is in bus driver training (including our recent Hello London programme) with supporting materials like reminders. All companies additionally provide forums where experienced drivers coach new drivers into the skills of making announcements and how to say it.
We encourage drivers to take the initiative and make periodic service announcements when they iBus system on their buses isn't working as we believe it helps people to travel independently.
We do conduct monitoring to ensure drivers are abiding with our guidance. However, we review feedback and comments from customers who contact us, which can include matters such as how we manage issues on buses and provide information to the public. Comments both positive and negative are relayed to the bus operating companies to make them aware and consider how they might improve the service.
We also have a mystery shopper style survey called the Bus Customer Experience Survey (BCES). One of its measures is ‘Driver Announcements when there is are issues' helping us look at areas where we might need to improve or maintain standards.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
Kind regards
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