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Post by richard on Oct 28, 2021 19:22:02 GMT
The Peckham rye fiasco that occurred in 2017 really put the company in a bad light and now this has happened. Oh boy it's not looking good for them Ever since Arriva took over staff morale has really got bad. It was better when under LOROL
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 28, 2021 21:24:11 GMT
The Peckham rye fiasco that occurred in 2017 really put the company in a bad light and now this has happened. Oh boy it's not looking good for them Ever since Arriva took over staff morale has really got bad. It was better when under LOROL Believe me when I say under LOROL days it much better. You go past some of the stations and the staff were bubbly back then but now it's changed.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 28, 2021 21:37:34 GMT
Plot twist, apparently the driver has tested positive for cocaine. Take that as you will but beginning to look less like an accident and more like a criminal incident. I was just about to mention this. It was confirmed by a contact I know. To put it mildly they are in the deep end now. Well the driver is in the deep end. Sadly this kind of thing seems to be common over the years, same with alcohol. On the buses there has been a lot of drivers lost their job from drugs test as many still think they would not be tested as they know alcohol tests are more regular but drugs tests are hardly done.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 28, 2021 21:38:52 GMT
The Peckham rye fiasco that occurred in 2017 really put the company in a bad light and now this has happened. Oh boy it's not looking good for them Ever since Arriva took over staff morale has really got bad. It was better when under LOROL You do realise that LOROL was half owned by Arriva back then.
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Post by richard on Oct 28, 2021 21:46:28 GMT
Ever since Arriva took over staff morale has really got bad. It was better when under LOROL You do realise that LOROL was half owned by Arriva back then. I thought it was MTR? The first operator, London Overground Rail Operations, a 50:50 joint venture between Laing Rail and MTR Corporation, was chosen by TfL on 19 June 2007 From wikipedia
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 28, 2021 21:53:21 GMT
You do realise that LOROL was half owned by Arriva back then. I thought it was MTR? The first operator, London Overground Rail Operations, a 50:50 joint venture between Laing Rail and MTR Corporation, was chosen by TfL on 19 June 2007 From wikipedia Arriva purchased Laing Rail - slight lie Deutsche Bahn purchased them, and Arriva gained control when they to were purchased by Deutsche Bahn
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 28, 2021 22:01:20 GMT
I thought it was MTR? The first operator, London Overground Rail Operations, a 50:50 joint venture between Laing Rail and MTR Corporation, was chosen by TfL on 19 June 2007 From wikipedia Arriva purchased Laing Rail - slight lie Deutsch Bahn purchased them, and Arriva gained control when they to were purchased by Deitsch Bahn No, DB directly purchased Laing in 2008 to create DB Regio UK, this was prior to the 2010 Arriva purchase. It was that same year, 2010, that DB Regio UK merged with the Arriva UK rail operations to create Arriva Rail UK.
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 28, 2021 22:06:35 GMT
Arriva purchased Laing Rail - slight lie Deutsch Bahn purchased them, and Arriva gained control when they to were purchased by Deitsch Bahn No, DB directly purchased Laing in 2008 to create DB Regio UK, this was prior to the 2010 Arriva purchase. It was that same year, 2010, that DB Regio UK merged with the Arriva UK rail operations to create Arriva Rail UK. Is that not what I said after the opening statement, that Arriva gained control of the operation after DB purchased them?
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 28, 2021 22:11:18 GMT
No, DB directly purchased Laing in 2008 to create DB Regio UK, this was prior to the 2010 Arriva purchase. It was that same year, 2010, that DB Regio UK merged with the Arriva UK rail operations to create Arriva Rail UK. Is that not what I said after the opening statement, that Arriva gained control of the operation after DB purchased them? I was posting a reply as you amended your post.
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 29, 2021 14:45:54 GMT
I was just about to mention this. It was confirmed by a contact I know. To put it mildly they are in the deep end now. Well the driver is in the deep end. Sadly this kind of thing seems to be common over the years, same with alcohol. On the buses there has been a lot of drivers lost their job from drugs test as many still think they would not be tested as they know alcohol tests are more regular but drugs tests are hardly done. I think now with overground under major scrutiny they will need to reassess a few things.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 30, 2021 12:41:41 GMT
I was just about to mention this. It was confirmed by a contact I know. To put it mildly they are in the deep end now. Well the driver is in the deep end. Sadly this kind of thing seems to be common over the years, same with alcohol. On the buses there has been a lot of drivers lost their job from drugs test as many still think they would not be tested as they know alcohol tests are more regular but drugs tests are hardly done. The driver will certainly be in the deep end, possibly prison sentence as well. Company operating practices and procedures etc also likely to be scrutinised by the RAIB
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 30, 2021 15:32:19 GMT
Well the driver is in the deep end. Sadly this kind of thing seems to be common over the years, same with alcohol. On the buses there has been a lot of drivers lost their job from drugs test as many still think they would not be tested as they know alcohol tests are more regular but drugs tests are hardly done. The driver will certainly be in the deep end, possibly prison sentence as well. Company operating practices and procedures etc also likely to be scrutinised by the RAIB There are substances that can cause false positive and the article I read mentioned it was a trace of cocaine. So it remains to be seen if he was genuinely taking cocaine or something else which the company either knew about or didn’t. If he didn’t disclose the medication he was on, even privately through the union, he is equally as responsible as if he did take cocaine.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 30, 2021 16:39:45 GMT
The driver will certainly be in the deep end, possibly prison sentence as well. Company operating practices and procedures etc also likely to be scrutinised by the RAIB There are substances that can cause false positive and the article I read mentioned it was a trace of cocaine. So it remains to be seen if he was genuinely taking cocaine or something else which the company either knew about or didn’t. If he didn’t disclose the medication he was on, even privately through the union, he is equally as responsible as if he did take cocaine. absolutely, they can dig deeper into any sample provided. Cocaine stays in the body for between 1 and 3 days, but even a trace of anything you shouldn't be taking or haven't declared will get you into trouble legally The driver would have to declare any medication before taking it, even antibiotics. The driver would have been made aware of this when they first joined the railway.
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 30, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
There are substances that can cause false positive and the article I read mentioned it was a trace of cocaine. So it remains to be seen if he was genuinely taking cocaine or something else which the company either knew about or didn’t. If he didn’t disclose the medication he was on, even privately through the union, he is equally as responsible as if he did take cocaine. absolutely, they can dig deeper into any sample provided. Cocaine stays in the body for between 1 and 3 days, but even a trace of anything you shouldn't be taking or haven't declared will get you into trouble legally The driver would have to declare any medication before taking it, even antibiotics. The driver would have been made aware of this when they first joined the railway. In Hong Kong I believe on the Buses anyway drivers have to blow a negative before they start work , does anyone think something like that over here would work ?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 30, 2021 17:49:53 GMT
absolutely, they can dig deeper into any sample provided. Cocaine stays in the body for between 1 and 3 days, but even a trace of anything you shouldn't be taking or haven't declared will get you into trouble legally The driver would have to declare any medication before taking it, even antibiotics. The driver would have been made aware of this when they first joined the railway. In Hong Kong I believe on the Buses anyway drivers have to blow a negative before they start work , does anyone think something like that over here would work ? You can get drivers to do that, however with the pandemic I certainly can't see it being introduced anytime soon. The other issue is you can only test blows with alcohol, harder drugs like cocaine won't show up unless it's done through urine or blood and you can't realistically keep extracting these before work.
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