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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 17:24:36 GMT
Somehow, there are some bus routes that have just managed to escape retention every single time they are up for tender...
322:
Arriva (N) 1992 - 2000
Connex (BC) 2000 - 2005
London General (SW) 2005 - 2010
Abellio (BC) 2010 - 2015
London General (SW) 2015 - 2022
Abellio (QB) 2022 -
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 26, 2021 17:27:08 GMT
482:
London United
Metroline
Abellio
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 17:29:51 GMT
135:
Arriva (DX) 2008 - 2015
Docklands Buses (SI) 2015 - 2022
Tower Transit (LI) 2022 -
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 17:32:30 GMT
425:
Docklands Buses (SI) 2008 - 2013
Tower Transit (LI) 2013 - 2020
Stagecoach (BW) 2020 -
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 18:22:05 GMT
Quite recently introduced but both were splits of other shortened routes:
306:
London United 2019 - 2020
Metroline 2020 -
X140:
Metroline 2019 - 2021
London Sovereign 2021 -
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Post by redexpress on Oct 26, 2021 19:52:27 GMT
Somehow, there are some bus routes that have just managed to escape retention every single time they are up for tender... 322: Arriva (N) 1992 - 2000 Connex (BC) 2000 - 2005 London General (SW) 2005 - 2010 Abellio (BC) 2010 - 2015 London General (SW) 2015 - 2022 Abellio (QB) 2022 - 322 was retained by Cowie South London (now Arriva London South) in April 1995. Prior to 1995 it was not a tendered route. |
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 20:05:03 GMT
Somehow, there are some bus routes that have just managed to escape retention every single time they are up for tender... 322: Arriva (N) 1992 - 2000 Connex (BC) 2000 - 2005 London General (SW) 2005 - 2010 Abellio (BC) 2010 - 2015 London General (SW) 2015 - 2022 Abellio (QB) 2022 - 322 was retained by Cowie South London (now Arriva London South) in April 1995. Prior to 1995 it was not a tendered route. How did it work if it was not a tendered route? Was it originally operated under an LSP by Cowie? |
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Post by redexpress on Oct 26, 2021 20:13:54 GMT
322 was retained by Cowie South London (now Arriva London South) in April 1995. Prior to 1995 it was not a tendered route. How did it work if it was not a tendered route? Was it originally operated under an LSP by Cowie? Like all routes prior to 1985! Before tendering started all routes were operated in-house by London Buses. From 1985 a few routes started to be put out to tender each year, with some routes being awarded to outside operators. In 1989 London Buses was split into subsidiaries which competed individually for tenders.
In 1994 these subsidiaries were privatised, but at that point there were still a lot of routes that had not yet been put out to tender. The newly-privatised subsidiaries operated these non-tendered routes as part of a Block Transfer Agreement that formed part of the privatisation deal. The untendered routes were gradually put out to tender (in the 322's case this happened in 1995) with the last of them being tendered in 2000.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 20:18:01 GMT
How did it work if it was not a tendered route? Was it originally operated under an LSP by Cowie? Like all routes prior to 1985! Before tendering started all routes were operated in-house by London Buses. From 1985 a few routes started to be put out to tender each year, with some routes being awarded to outside operators. In 1989 London Buses was split into subsidiaries which competed individually for tenders.
In 1994 these subsidiaries were privatised, but at that point there were still a lot of routes that had not yet been put out to tender. The newly-privatised subsidiaries operated these non-tendered routes as part of a Block Transfer Agreement that formed part of the privatisation deal. The untendered routes were gradually put out to tender (in the 322's case this happened in 1995) with the last of them being tendered in 2000.
I'm sorry, I don't know much about London's buses prior to 2000. So, in effect, the 322 was retained by Cowie but it was it's first tender so it wasn't a contract renewal as such. |
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Post by rj131 on Oct 26, 2021 20:23:48 GMT
The 24 is quite an infamous one for constantly bouncing around like a ball in a pinball machine isn’t it?
EDIT: a quick google I believe reveals the 24’s first privatised renewal in 1997 was a retain with the incumbent Grey Green. Every subsequent renewal after that has been a change.
Similar story with the 25, the only retain its ever had was in 2016. Every other has been a change.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 26, 2021 20:38:50 GMT
The 24 is quite an infamous one for constantly bouncing around like a ball in a pinball machine isn’t it? EDIT: a quick google I believe reveals the 24’s first privatised renewal in 1997 was a retain with the incumbent Grey Green. Every subsequent renewal after that has been a change. Similar story with the 25, the only retain its ever had was in 2016. Every other has been a change. Yes: 24: Grey-Green up to 2002 Metroline 2002 - 2007 London General 2007 - 2012 Metroline 2012 - 2019 Abellio 2019 - 25: First Capital 1999 - 2004 Stagecoach / East London 2004 - 2011 First London / Tower Transit 2011 - 2020 Stagecoach 2020 - |
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Post by rj131 on Oct 26, 2021 20:45:43 GMT
This one does bend the rules but a route which definitely deserves a mention, as it properly defines a ‘pinball route’ would be the 266. It has had two Metroline retains, but even on one of those involved it changing garages. Even in the pre-tender days it was going back and forth, up and down and side to side between garage near enough every year. Not to mention its very lively activity changing hands a lot in it the more recent years. The 266 is like a child that can’t sit still  At the total opposite end of the scale which could be likened to a stubborn old person completely stuck in their ways would be the 80. Nuclear fission would probably be needed to separate that route from its garage |
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Post by busoccultation on Oct 26, 2021 20:49:32 GMT
The 462 since 2007 when First lost the the route to Arriva, then Arriva lost the 462 in 2012 to Go-Ahead and finally Stagecoach got the route 2017, prior to that First and is predecessors had the route since the route since the route was new in 1993 (a far smaller and less frequent route to what the 462 is now) to 2007.
Hopefully Stagecoach does retaining the 462 when its up for tender in 2024.
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 27, 2021 7:16:44 GMT
The 246 is another route which is the definition of a pinball route. I don’t think it has ever been retained in the modern era of tendering. Did it gain a two year extension in 2013 though? It has been passing back and forth between Metrobus Orpington and Stagecoach at every contract renewal since 2003 in the following pattern:
2003: Metrobus
2008: ELBG/Stagecoach
2015: Metrobus
2020: Stagecoach
I’d also say the 455 as that’s changed hands at the last three contract renewals but didn’t Arriva retain the route in 2007? The 434 would have also gone the same way but Go-Ahead changed that by retaining the route in 2018 and recently gaining its first two year extension.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 27, 2021 7:53:16 GMT
The 246 is another route which is the definition of a pinball route. I don’t think it has ever been retained in the modern era of tendering. Did it gain a two year extension in 2013 though? It has been passing back and forth between Metrobus Orpington and Stagecoach at every contract renewal since 2003 in the following pattern: 2003: Metrobus 2008: Stagecoach 2015: Metrobus 2020: Stagecoach I’d also say the 455 as that’s changed hands at the last three contract renewals but didn’t Arriva retain the route in 2007? The 434 would have also gone the same way but Go-Ahead changed that by retaining the route in 2018 and recently gaining its first two year extension. On a separate note how come the 434 has only just managed its first extension? Is it really that much of a b*st*rd to operate? |
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