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Post by vjaska on Nov 4, 2021 14:26:19 GMT
They lost the 159 to Abellio You are right - memory fail! No probs, happens to us all  |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2021 15:31:45 GMT
A few more east London ones.
174, 247 and 294.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 4, 2021 15:54:07 GMT
124 has never left Catford Garage
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 4, 2021 15:55:58 GMT
Route 148 has never left Shepherd's Bush garage.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 4, 2021 15:59:15 GMT
A few Stagecoach ones: 5,8,86,241,330 Will add more later. Isn’t 5 now run by GAL? |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2021 16:07:30 GMT
A few Stagecoach ones: 5,8,86,241,330 Will add more later. Isn’t 5 now run by GAL? of course! Total mind blank. Edited post. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 4, 2021 16:08:37 GMT
Metroline have done well in not losing any of them for so long. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 4, 2021 16:09:27 GMT
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Post by richard on Nov 4, 2021 16:40:14 GMT
The 184 (until recently) 41 (341 apart from a brief spell at First)
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 4, 2021 16:55:59 GMT
357 is always based at Northumberland Park ever since the route was renumbered from 97A in 2000 bearing in mind with the garage was sold from First to Go-Ahead in 2012.
370 has been with Arriva Grays long before the route was a fully TfL route until 2007 and is still with GY for the whole time as a TfL contracted route.
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Post by COBO on Nov 4, 2021 18:05:21 GMT
2, 12, 36, 29, 59, 73, 102, 243 and 476. Do Cowie / Arriva London count?
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 4, 2021 18:13:22 GMT
2, 12, 36, 29, 59, 73, 102, 243 and 476. Do Cowie / Arriva London count? I reckon Cowie Group/Arriva counts as it was a rebrand. You can add their 38 and 253/254 to that list. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 4, 2021 19:17:23 GMT
London United's recent loss to Abellio of the 111 - which it had operated since privatisation - came as rather a surprise to me, but it also got me wondering about something. How many routes in London are still being run by their original post-privatisation operator - or its direct successor - and have never been lost to a rival? Perhaps it's worth working a few things out before we answer that question... - If a route switched to another operator, which was then acquired by the previous operator (e.g. 33 from London United to NCP Challenger, which was later acquired by London United), it doesn't count, as the route was officially lost, even if it later came 'home'.
- If a route exists today that is a recognisable 'descendant' of a defunct post-privatisation route (e.g. route H32 replacing the 232), and the new route still remains with the same operator, then let's add it to the list.
- If a route stayed after privatisation with an operator which was subsequently acquired, and it's still with that new owner, I think that should count too (e.g. route 607 operated by CentreWest, acquired by First London, novated to Metroline West). The operator has changed hands, but the route itself has not been lost.
- There will probably be some complications with older routes that have since been split into two or more routes - but we'll burn those bridges when we get to them. And for the sake of simplicity - and my sanity - there seems little point in covering the newest routes that have only been tendered a couple of times.
Given that there are so many caveats over operators and acquisitions, route splits and revisions, and other minutiae, this could get complicated! Even so, the incredible knowledge of many forum members has often blown my mind, so I'm hopeful that we'll be able to get this question answered...  There are quite a few routes that fall under this category in my area. Just off the top of my head the 80, 93, 151, 154, 155, 163, 164, 213 and 219 have never been lost under privatisation. The 80 also has the distinction of having a sole A allocation since 1934, possibly one of the longest standing depot allocations in London’s Buses history, although that will need verification by someone with more time on their hands. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 4, 2021 19:42:24 GMT
The Uxbridge bunch- A10, U1, U2, U4 and U10, have been operated from UX from the start. The U3 had a short spell with Capital Logistics in the late 90s so doesn't count.
Unfortunately the short spell of the 110 under London Country operation in the late 80s means it has not had a continuous run of London United/Transdev/RATP operation.
77, 83 and 240 are other long standing division/company routes I can think of. The 77 had an allocation at AL from its inception right up until 2016.
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Post by BK15AZR on Nov 4, 2021 21:38:37 GMT
The 11, 14, 22, 74 & 430 have always been with London General.
The 277 & D3 have always been Stagecoach/East London.
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