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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 8, 2021 23:04:53 GMT
I don't know about the Walworth Road but I'd definitely throw in as contenders for the busiest corridors as Brixton Hill, the Romford Road, Oxford Road & the Stockport to Manchester section of the 192. The 192 runs every 3 minutes alone between Stockport & Manchester Piccadilly. Having said that sone Lothian routes could be up there. Is there an official list of the most used bus services in the UK? Then again that corridor is the busiest corridor in the UK and Manchester has very little in the way of rail infrastructure. Buses are heavily relied upon in Manchester and even with East Midlands Railway/Northern following a service like the 192 (being the busiest in the UK outside of London) I think it's clear that Manchester is fairly behind in regards to rail infrastructure if bus corridors need to be that intense. It does have the very extensive Metrolink trams though, so I wouldn’t say it’s fallen behind with its rail network, even though it’s technically not a train it’s close enough. No in terms of official figures I don’t think there’s anywhere you can find official usage figures, only TfL publish theirs. HOWEVER Stagecoach have written in an article that the 192 carries around 10 million passengers a year and is the busiest regional (presumably by that meaning ‘provincial’) bus route in the UK, and they wouldn’t be allowed to just write that if it wasn’t true. Obviously like all bus routes Covid heavily distorted that figure, but in a ‘normal’ year 10 million passengers a year is enormous especially for a provincial route, definitely can’t think of a route that’d get even close. 10mill a year is up there with the holy grail of busiest London bus routes, so it is an absolute force to be reckoned with. Manchester would certainly benefit from a TfL-like bus model, because there are so many bus operators in Manchester which all obviously have non transferable tickets so you would need multiple tickets to get around different parts of Manchester, which unsurprisingly is grossly inconvenient. There are trams but they don't go out into the suburbs which is why some services like the 192 run so intensively. Manchester could've benefitted with a metro being built perhaps a century ago. I'm really surprised about the 192 being the busiest route especially when it runs in direct competition with 2 well established TOCs being Northern & EMR
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 8, 2021 23:51:44 GMT
It does have the very extensive Metrolink trams though, so I wouldn’t say it’s fallen behind with its rail network, even though it’s technically not a train it’s close enough. No in terms of official figures I don’t think there’s anywhere you can find official usage figures, only TfL publish theirs. HOWEVER Stagecoach have written in an article that the 192 carries around 10 million passengers a year and is the busiest regional (presumably by that meaning ‘provincial’) bus route in the UK, and they wouldn’t be allowed to just write that if it wasn’t true. Obviously like all bus routes Covid heavily distorted that figure, but in a ‘normal’ year 10 million passengers a year is enormous especially for a provincial route, definitely can’t think of a route that’d get even close. 10mill a year is up there with the holy grail of busiest London bus routes, so it is an absolute force to be reckoned with. Manchester would certainly benefit from a TfL-like bus model, because there are so many bus operators in Manchester which all obviously have non transferable tickets so you would need multiple tickets to get around different parts of Manchester, which unsurprisingly is grossly inconvenient. There are trams but they don't go out into the suburbs which is why some services like the 192 run so intensively. Manchester could've benefitted with a metro being built perhaps a century ago. I'm really surprised about the 192 being the busiest route especially when it runs in direct competition with 2 well established TOCs being Northern & EMR How far to you want it to go? It seems to venture deep into some suburbs, Rochdale, Bury, Oldham, Altrincham. tfgm.com/public-transport/tram/network-map
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Post by snowman on Nov 9, 2021 6:25:41 GMT
The Wilmslow Road is mad for the number of buses operating along it. What are fares like these days? Then again that corridor is the busiest corridor in the UK and Manchester has very little in the way of rail infrastructure. Buses are heavily relied upon in Manchester and even with East Midlands Railway/Northern following a service like the 192 (being the busiest in the UK outside of London) I think it's clear that Manchester is fairly behind in regards to rail infrastructure if bus corridors need to be that intense. What I will say though is competitively between operators the corridor is madness. I read somewhere there's an average of 3 passengers per bus but certainly during the leaks it could be completely different. It’s probably one of the busiest in Europe In most European countries, any route with loadings above about half million a month (6 million annually) gets replaced by a tram route I think Manchester now has 130+ trams, (will be 147 when all delivered), each of which can carry 200+ so it’s trams can carry about same as 350 double deckers.
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Post by redexpress on Nov 9, 2021 7:02:03 GMT
What I will say though is competitively between operators the corridor is madness. I read somewhere there's an average of 3 passengers per bus but certainly during the leaks it could be completely different. You get more passengers on a bus when it leaks?!
(Sorry couldn't resist)
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 20, 2021 14:16:33 GMT
It does have the very extensive Metrolink trams though, so I wouldn’t say it’s fallen behind with its rail network, even though it’s technically not a train it’s close enough. No in terms of official figures I don’t think there’s anywhere you can find official usage figures, only TfL publish theirs. HOWEVER Stagecoach have written in an article that the 192 carries around 10 million passengers a year and is the busiest regional (presumably by that meaning ‘provincial’) bus route in the UK, and they wouldn’t be allowed to just write that if it wasn’t true. Obviously like all bus routes Covid heavily distorted that figure, but in a ‘normal’ year 10 million passengers a year is enormous especially for a provincial route, definitely can’t think of a route that’d get even close. 10mill a year is up there with the holy grail of busiest London bus routes, so it is an absolute force to be reckoned with. Manchester would certainly benefit from a TfL-like bus model, because there are so many bus operators in Manchester which all obviously have non transferable tickets so you would need multiple tickets to get around different parts of Manchester, which unsurprisingly is grossly inconvenient. There are trams but they don't go out into the suburbs which is why some services like the 192 run so intensively. Manchester could've benefitted with a metro being built perhaps a century ago. I'm really surprised about the 192 being the busiest route especially when it runs in direct competition with 2 well established TOCs being Northern & EMR As there are only 2 intermediate stations, it means several areas inbetween such as Longsight has no train station. As if to rub it in, we can clearly see the trains close by just as we walk into Asda at Longsight. Most 192 buses are 20-reg E400-MMCs with grey high back seating. I use it quite frequently myself.
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