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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 17, 2021 0:02:25 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 17, 2021 7:44:02 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 17, 2021 8:11:03 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable. As the story says the bonuses are for hitting financial targets that mean services can be maintained. A large number of experienced staff who understand how to run buses have left. Do you really want services to decline even further as people with no understanding of the job take over?
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 17, 2021 8:19:48 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable. As the story says the bonuses are for hitting financial targets that mean services can be maintained. A large number of experienced staff who understand how to run buses have left. Do you really want services to decline even further as people with no understanding of the job take over? People can learn how to do a job, I’d rather that no public sector department has financial incentive bonuses. That’s £12 million less that can’t be invested in services, that can’t be invested in front line staff, in additional security for the night tube etc. It might seem a small amount but harks back to the fact that TfL should be held accountable for its spending. If nobody wants to work for TfL and staff are leaving it represents a fundamental problem within TfL and shouldn’t be solved by offering a stop gap solution.
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Post by TB123 on Nov 17, 2021 8:43:17 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable. As the story says the bonuses are for hitting financial targets that mean services can be maintained. A large number of experienced staff who understand how to run buses have left. Do you really want services to decline even further as people with no understanding of the job take over? That's far too rational a view to post here in response to the usual moaners.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 17, 2021 10:20:09 GMT
As the story says the bonuses are for hitting financial targets that mean services can be maintained. A large number of experienced staff who understand how to run buses have left. Do you really want services to decline even further as people with no understanding of the job take over? People can learn how to do a job, I’d rather that no public sector department has financial incentive bonuses. That’s £12 million less that can’t be invested in services, that can’t be invested in front line staff, in additional security for the night tube etc. It might seem a small amount but harks back to the fact that TfL should be held accountable for its spending. If nobody wants to work for TfL and staff are leaving it represents a fundamental problem within TfL and shouldn’t be solved by offering a stop gap solution. People can learn to do a job but they need experienced people around them to learn from. I joined London Transport in July 1972 as a trainee. My second attachment was to the South Division of LT Buses based at Camberwell Garage. I was surrounded by former garage managers with years of experience. This included Colin Dix who used to run New Cross garage and Bernard Mitchell of Croydon garage. They taught me so much about bus operation. At the time Frank Giles was the Divisional Manger. He was the best boss I ever worked for. Just one of the things I did learn was when you widen services beyond 10 minutes on well used routes people lose faith. This is happening on lots of routes now.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 17, 2021 11:52:20 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable. I think the bonuses would apply after they break even and no longer require bail out money IIRC. I do understand your point though
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 17, 2021 12:01:32 GMT
I would love to say I’m surprised but I’m not. Every penny TfL has right now should go into passengers and not on bonuses, I hope the assembly makes a stink about this and it gets cancelled. Bonuses at a time when they are cutting services left, right and centre, unbelievable. I think the bonuses would apply after they break even and no longer require bail out money IIRC. I do understand your point though Even so, I don’t think it’s a good look. If it were a private sector company fine, but this is public sector.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 17, 2021 12:20:52 GMT
Bonuses are awarded to staff as an incentive for good work, especially in a high profile job like at TfL. We trivialize it but it's some people's job to decide where billions of pounds are spent on whichever transport service, as well as forecast transport patterns for future years when London is an ever changing city isn't the most straightforward work criteria.
It's not an easy role for the top jobs in TfL Towers and it doesn't look in good taste given the current financial climate, but it helps secure the talent TfL has and may entice others to join the 'sinking ship'.
Just think that when the Debenhams or the Woolworths of the world go into liquidation, accountants/administrators get paid hefty sums to limit the losses of the company & salvage as many assets and jobs as possible. It's no easy task, irrespective of whether it's a transport company or not.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 17, 2021 12:39:08 GMT
I wonder how many driver toilet facilities could be otherwise put up, what with the many bus stands that still lack these practical necessities.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 17, 2021 12:42:08 GMT
I think the bonuses would apply after they break even and no longer require bail out money IIRC. I do understand your point though Even so, I don’t think it’s a good look. If it were a private sector company fine, but this is public sector. It is an incentive for good work. Bonuses are generally part of any package ... without that incentive, you won't attract the best, and your best will go, meaning things get worse and more cuts. If you happy for the public sector to have second or maybe third rate staff, and all the top quality staff go to the private sector, yours is the formula required.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 17, 2021 12:47:13 GMT
People can learn how to do a job, I’d rather that no public sector department has financial incentive bonuses. That’s £12 million less that can’t be invested in services, that can’t be invested in front line staff, in additional security for the night tube etc. It might seem a small amount but harks back to the fact that TfL should be held accountable for its spending. If nobody wants to work for TfL and staff are leaving it represents a fundamental problem within TfL and shouldn’t be solved by offering a stop gap solution. People can learn to do a job but they need experienced people around them to learn from. I joined London Transport in July 1972 as a trainee. My second attachment was to the South Division of LT Buses based at Camberwell Garage. I was surrounded by former garage managers with years of experience. This included Colin Dix who used to run New Cross garage and Bernard Mitchell of Croydon garage. They taught me so much about bus operation. At the time Frank Giles was the Divisional Manger. He was the best boss I ever worked for. Just one of the things I did learn was when you widen services beyond 10 minutes on well used routes people lose faith. This is happening on lots of routes now. Stories like this about 'fat cat' bosses getting big bonuses whilst everyone else is feeling the pinch make for good headlines although it's often standard business practice as you've alluded to, although opinions will vary about how good a job TfL bosses are currently doing. Anything less than a 10/12min frequency can't really be considered to be a 'turn up and go' service but if that's all that usage justifies........
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Post by greenboy on Nov 17, 2021 12:57:01 GMT
I wonder how many driver toilet facilities could be otherwise put up, what with the many bus stands that still lack these practical necessities. And on that subject has anybody ever been held accountable for the drivers toilets that were installed at Biggin Hill and Petts Wood and then subsequently removed?
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 17, 2021 12:57:25 GMT
People can learn to do a job but they need experienced people around them to learn from. I joined London Transport in July 1972 as a trainee. My second attachment was to the South Division of LT Buses based at Camberwell Garage. I was surrounded by former garage managers with years of experience. This included Colin Dix who used to run New Cross garage and Bernard Mitchell of Croydon garage. They taught me so much about bus operation. At the time Frank Giles was the Divisional Manger. He was the best boss I ever worked for. Just one of the things I did learn was when you widen services beyond 10 minutes on well used routes people lose faith. This is happening on lots of routes now. Stories like this about 'fat cat' bosses getting big bonuses whilst everyone else is feeling the pinch make for good headlines although it's often standard business practice as you've alluded to, although opinions will vary about how good a job TfL bosses are currently doing. Anything less than a 10/12min frequency can't really be considered to be a 'turn up and go' service but if that's all that usage justifies........ Also intending passengers are making more use of tracking apps, so they have a better idea when they need to head out to the bus stop.
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Post by busman on Nov 17, 2021 12:59:31 GMT
If they achieve it, then why shouldn’t they be financially rewarded for success, especially if it pulls their compensation up to a competitive level so that TfL can retain them in the role. I’m more concerned that senior leaders will have lucrative bonuses intrinsically linked to making swingeing cuts to TfL operations. I don’t see evidence that the current leaders have the skillset to drive new revenue streams through development of land and mixed use commercial space. Fare increases are politically sensitive so will cap the amount that can be raised by this avenue. Overall I predict this move will send leaders into cost cutting mode, perhaps to an extent we haven’t seen so far.
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