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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 24, 2022 3:43:28 GMT
I've observed the 271 picks up good loads at Old Street at night with the nightlife there, and that being fairly close to Shoreditch. Direct link to places like Holloway and Archway which have a large young population. In my view the North Finchley section is less justifiable. Essentially following the well established N20 and serving the High Road which in the grand scheme of things is really not that far from other night routes. As an N prefix is going on anyways I wonder if the previous extention to Liverpool Street would be useful to capture the Shoreditch nightlife. Old Street is far more accessible to Shoreditch for people leaving Central as you're going in the right direction.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 10:20:05 GMT
Early 2023 would suggest the 91 or 263 taking on the contract (263 probably more logical as it could use the current 271 buses). Probably the 263 contract, as route 91 has just been awarded. I thought it more logical for the route 271 contract to switch to route 91, as both routes are at HT and route 263 has a route change anyway.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 10:28:12 GMT
Or as I pointed out in my last post N71 which tbh I think sounds way better. If it were to run to Barnet Hospital then 100% number it the N263 but the N20 already does the job and right now does most of the current 263 between Barnet and Archway except the North Finchley-East Finchley section but isn't numbered the N263 so you would probably be better of keeping that way for the time being and just number it N71 to replace the daytime 271 and not have it as N271 for the sake of the public's misunderstanding. I saw your N71 suggestion, no issues from me on that though I do think N263 makes a lot of sense as well An alternative good choice would be N104. There was for many years a day 104 from North Finchley to Finsbury Square, and the original RML route at that.
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 2, 2022 11:52:13 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 12:04:36 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’ There is no point putting up these posters just because you're at a disadvantage. What is going to change? I saw this with the 384 as well when TFL wanted to restructure it at the time. You think TFL, who are struggling financially, are gonna come out of nowhere and make the U turn just coz of a poster?! It's 2022 for goodness sake. We need to cut this nonsense out!
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 2, 2022 12:07:42 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’ I wonder who is behind these posters? Clearly not everyone agrees with the decision. The Highgate Society - and I accept that it does not speak for everybody - has said that it is not opposed to the changes in general. The main concern was that the 210 and 263 towards Highgate Village should have a common stop at Archway Station, this has been partly addressed by retaining the 143 over Highgate Hill instead. There are people in Highgate - and I accept that most will not be regular bus users - who will be quite happy to see the back of the 271 terminus and the buses removed. And it does give the Village a small space that can be pedestrianised and put to other uses.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2022 12:22:14 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’ There is no point putting up these posters just because you're at a disadvantage. What is going to change? I saw this with the 384 as well when TFL wanted to restructure it at the time. You think TFL, who are struggling financially, are gonna come out of nowhere and make the U turn just coz of a poster?! It's 2022 for goodness sake. We need to cut this nonsense out! We’ve seen TfL make U-turns on occasions - it doesn’t happen often and I’m not saying it will here but it has before. Not sure what 2022 has to do with people putting posters up and I don’t understand equally what is nonsense about people(s) putting posters up?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 2, 2022 12:28:32 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’ There is no point putting up these posters just because you're at a disadvantage. What is going to change? I saw this with the 384 as well when TFL wanted to restructure it at the time. You think TFL, who are struggling financially, are gonna come out of nowhere and make the U turn just coz of a poster?! It's 2022 for goodness sake. We need to cut this nonsense out! Thats a bit of a harsh take and whilst I can’t see them keeping the 271 the 143 was retained down Highgate Hill which it definitely should have been so I think TFL did a good job in saving that. Am quite sad they didn’t consider perhaps diverting the 263 to Newington Green (I put that in my reply to the consultation along with Dalston) because it has a nice range of shops that would make a nice trip to but there we are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 12:39:08 GMT
There is no point putting up these posters just because you're at a disadvantage. What is going to change? I saw this with the 384 as well when TFL wanted to restructure it at the time. You think TFL, who are struggling financially, are gonna come out of nowhere and make the U turn just coz of a poster?! It's 2022 for goodness sake. We need to cut this nonsense out! We’ve seen TfL make U-turns on occasions - it doesn’t happen often and I’m not saying it will here but it has before. Not sure what 2022 has to do with people putting posters up and I don’t understand equally what is nonsense about people(s) putting posters up? Because they don't understand the situation TFL are in! They think that putting up posters is going to change the minds of people who work at TFL just because they are at the disadvantage when you need actual justification behind that point. Whatever TFL do doesn't make everyone happy so it's best just to save time and change your routing to catch the 21 & 263 if you want to continue using the existing links.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 2, 2022 12:53:51 GMT
We’ve seen TfL make U-turns on occasions - it doesn’t happen often and I’m not saying it will here but it has before. Not sure what 2022 has to do with people putting posters up and I don’t understand equally what is nonsense about people(s) putting posters up? Because they don't understand the situation TFL are in! They think that putting up posters is going to change the minds of people who work at TFL just because they are at the disadvantage when you need actual justification behind that point. Whatever TFL do doesn't make everyone happy so it's best just to save time and change your routing to catch the 21 & 263 if you want to continue using the existing links. There’s clearly enough justification for them to disagree because the 271 isn’t exactly an empty service but one that as with the 168 is easy to restructure. There is overcrowding problems between Archway & Highbury & Islington on the 43/263/271 which is the exact reason behind why the 263 was extended beyond Holloway which those particular residents have no involvement in, the catchment areas of schools in Highgate such as St Aloyius very much lays within the Canonbury Estate/New North Road area & New North Road as a whole loses its link to Whittington Hospital. How are they meant to save time if they now have to change between two buses? It’s not unreasonable per se but it’s certainly not ideal.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2022 13:19:04 GMT
We’ve seen TfL make U-turns on occasions - it doesn’t happen often and I’m not saying it will here but it has before. Not sure what 2022 has to do with people putting posters up and I don’t understand equally what is nonsense about people(s) putting posters up? Because they don't understand the situation TFL are in! They think that putting up posters is going to change the minds of people who work at TFL just because they are at the disadvantage when you need actual justification behind that point. Whatever TFL do doesn't make everyone happy so it's best just to save time and change your routing to catch the 21 & 263 if you want to continue using the existing links. So because you think some people may or may not know TfL’s situation, they mustn’t put posters up and just accept it without any opinion at all? Have you read the poster in question to see if they have wrote justifications on it? Sorry but your response is extremely questionable and what’s even more worrying is you think people should just put up with it rather than question it - no wonder passengers are voting with their feet in the first place with responses like that
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 2, 2022 13:22:00 GMT
Because they don't understand the situation TFL are in! They think that putting up posters is going to change the minds of people who work at TFL just because they are at the disadvantage when you need actual justification behind that point. Whatever TFL do doesn't make everyone happy so it's best just to save time and change your routing to catch the 21 & 263 if you want to continue using the existing links. So because you think some people may or may not know TfL’s situation, they mustn’t put posters up and just accept it without any opinion at all? Have you read the poster in question to see if they have wrote justifications on it? Sorry but your response is extremely questionable and what’s even more worrying is you think people should just put up with it rather than question it - no wonder passengers are voting with their feet in the first place with responses like that Also there were signs as early back as December that I saw at least at the stop for buses towards Highgate Village at Archway, which I posted about on here. Perhaps they forgot to take them down?
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 2, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 14:25:47 GMT
Because they don't understand the situation TFL are in! They think that putting up posters is going to change the minds of people who work at TFL just because they are at the disadvantage when you need actual justification behind that point. Whatever TFL do doesn't make everyone happy so it's best just to save time and change your routing to catch the 21 & 263 if you want to continue using the existing links. So because you think some people may or may not know TfL’s situation, they mustn’t put posters up and just accept it without any opinion at all? Have you read the poster in question to see if they have wrote justifications on it? Sorry but your response is extremely questionable and what’s even more worrying is you think people should just put up with it rather than question it - no wonder passengers are voting with their feet in the first place with responses like that I never said they can't have an opinion or they can't question it. What I said was they think TFL might do a U turn like I said before when most of the time it doesn't happen and especially now with TFL's financial crisis it's near impossible that TFL will do a U turn. I'm not even saying that this is even a good change. In fact I am quite disappointed the 271 is going as people do use it a lot. I'm just questioning what are posters really going to do to make TFL do a U turn. If this somehow works and TFL do a U turn, then I can eat that humble pie but for now that's unlikely.
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 2, 2022 17:08:58 GMT
Posters on bus stops along Highgate village - ‘Save Our 271 Bus’ There is no point putting up these posters just because you're at a disadvantage. What is going to change? I saw this with the 384 as well when TFL wanted to restructure it at the time. You think TFL, who are struggling financially, are gonna come out of nowhere and make the U turn just coz of a poster?! It's 2022 for goodness sake. We need to cut this nonsense out! Well posters can change the perspective of influential people. Unfortunately, that poster has to lead to an online petition for at least 100,000 people to sign to then be discussed at Parliament. That's the only step that's going to have TfL reconsider, so very unlikely to happen.
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