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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2022 10:17:59 GMT
I see there is an update: Consultation has concluded Between 22 November 2021 and 9 January 2022, we held a public consultation on proposals to restructure routes 1, 168 and 188. We proposed to merge routes 1 and 168 to introduce a new route operating between Hampstead Heath and Canada Water and curtail route 188 so that it operates to and from Tottenham Court Road. We received 342 responses to the consultation. Thank you to those who took the time to reply to our survey or submit comments. We are now considering all feedback received and we aim to make our final decision as to whether or not to proceed with the proposals by early March 2022. We will also respond to issues raised during the consultation period and publish a report with the findings and our final decision. Significantly less responses for this one and it's difficult to see much of an argument against it, there will be the same service from Surrey Quays to Holborn and from Hampstead Heath to Bricklayers Arms. The 21/271 might be a bit more contentious. My thoughts aswell. Probably why TFL decided to merge both routes as it gives little to oppose. I'd imagine tfl will try and do all it can to bring the 168 to an end as soon as possible and simply add for resources to the current contract on the 1 using more WHV/MHVs from with frew reduction or from Sutton if the awards are for all new with spare WVLs taking their place till new buses arrive for the 93 etc.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 19, 2022 10:23:08 GMT
Significantly less responses for this one and it's difficult to see much of an argument against it, there will be the same service from Surrey Quays to Holborn and from Hampstead Heath to Bricklayers Arms. The 21/271 might be a bit more contentious. My thoughts aswell. Probably why TFL decided to merge both routes as it gives little to oppose. I'd imagine tfl will try and do all it can to bring the 168 to an end as soon as possible and simply add for resources to the current contract on the 1 using more WHV/MHVs from with frew reduction or from Sutton if the awards are for all new with spare WVLs taking their place till new buses arrive for the 93 etc. Surely they would use some of the existing 168 LTs instead of adding WHVs and MHVs?
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 19, 2022 10:31:42 GMT
My thoughts aswell. Probably why TFL decided to merge both routes as it gives little to oppose. I'd imagine tfl will try and do all it can to bring the 168 to an end as soon as possible and simply add for resources to the current contract on the 1 using more WHV/MHVs from with frew reduction or from Sutton if the awards are for all new with spare WVLs taking their place till new buses arrive for the 93 etc. Surely they would use some of the existing 168 LTs instead of adding WHVs and MHVs? I don;t know if the 1 (in its existing form) can take LTs so the extended 1 may need extra conventionals.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2022 11:05:24 GMT
Surely they would use some of the existing 168 LTs instead of adding WHVs and MHVs? I don;t know if the 1 (in its existing form) can take LTs so the extended 1 may need extra conventionals. It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 19, 2022 16:11:52 GMT
I don;t know if the 1 (in its existing form) can take LTs so the extended 1 may need extra conventionals. It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere. The current 1 routing can’t take LTs around Surrey Quays - the same problem prevented the 188 from converting. That means the extended (presumably) route 1 will need non LTs, and the soon to be defunct 168’s LTs can then be redeployed. I guess maybe the 32 would be a decent home for some?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2022 17:01:57 GMT
It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere. The current 1 routing can’t take LTs around Surrey Quays - the same problem prevented the 188 from converting. That means the extended (presumably) route 1 will need non LTs, and the soon to be defunct 168’s LTs can then be redeployed. I guess maybe the 32 would be a decent home for some? It has a PVR of 17 and the 168 has a PVR of 18 so could be fully converted with TEHs heading off to the 240 (and perhaps a few to the 143 if possible )
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Post by WH241 on Jan 19, 2022 17:41:53 GMT
Sorry I made a mistake in my original post earlier today mixing up the 1 and 21 as both out on consultation. It's a shame the 1 can't take LTs as that would be a easy move from the 168 with tops for the increased PVR. It would have also made tenders a little cheaper and the LTs could have gone to whoever wins the route on the next tender.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2022 19:43:33 GMT
I don;t know if the 1 (in its existing form) can take LTs so the extended 1 may need extra conventionals. It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere. Perhaps some from the 188 cutback/any potential Putney changes like have been suggested.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2022 19:50:48 GMT
It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere. Perhaps some from the 188 cutback/any potential Putney changes like have been suggested. Plus potentially from the part 93/154.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2022 0:43:27 GMT
It can't in its existing form..theoretically the new section to HH would be able to take them but I'd imagine it will be like the 10/23 situation with the 1 being extended and using its current buses and the LTs from the 168 used elsewhere. The current 1 routing can’t take LTs around Surrey Quays - the same problem prevented the 188 from converting. That means the extended (presumably) route 1 will need non LTs, and the soon to be defunct 168’s LTs can then be redeployed. I guess maybe the 32 would be a decent home for some? The 32 makes sense given few have wondered out on it before I believe
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Post by route53 on Feb 20, 2022 11:44:19 GMT
What’s happening to the route 1? I’ve heard that they may ditch this number and the 168 number altogether and make a new number? I hope not as the 1 is historically significant to the Southwark area.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Feb 20, 2022 11:46:21 GMT
Who will even operate the merged route?
And what will they renumber it to?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 20, 2022 12:10:03 GMT
What’s happening to the route 1? I’ve heard that they may ditch this number and the 168 number altogether and make a new number? I hope not as the 1 is historically significant to the Southwark area. Would seem very retrograde to get rid of the number 1
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 20, 2022 12:55:27 GMT
What’s happening to the route 1? I’ve heard that they may ditch this number and the 168 number altogether and make a new number? I hope not as the 1 is historically significant to the Southwark area. The consultation did say provisionally numbered 1 and based on the 10/23, the routes which contract will continue and likely use the existing vehicles make it mroe likely the 1 as it seems LTs can't work the 1 and the 168s contract is more likely to have a termination clause before late 2023.
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Post by TB123 on Feb 20, 2022 13:01:11 GMT
Who will even operate the merged route? And what will they renumber it to? From what I hear, it'll be numbered the 1 and operate on the existing GAL contract until expiry in autumn 2023. There will be incredibly tough competition for that tender with as many as 7 possible bidders. On paper, Waterloo garage would be the ideal to spot to operate it from.
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