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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2021 13:19:08 GMT
Mostly awful changes all around especially merging the 1 & 168 together - once again, no thought for passengers at all Not surprise of your response. Not sure how you want me to reply to that?
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Post by Trafalgax on Nov 22, 2021 13:20:52 GMT
I actually genuinely want to know if someone on this forum is a council member of TFL administration because this isn’t the first time people have predicted stuff and it’s come true Probably not........ the 1,168,188 is a rather obvious one! Pretty much for 188, everyone expected TFL would would temper with it but for 168, the Holborn to Aldwych section is literally the mid section of the route so I didn’t think TFL would mess with it.
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 22, 2021 13:22:01 GMT
On looking at this change at first I thought this would make the 1 a very long route ( and I'm a fan of long routes ) but realistically this is about a mile or two longer than the current 168 ,
however there is a lot of traffic around Bermondsey and Rotherhithe I can see this heavily affecting reliability ,
I think cutting the 168 back to Elephant with a frequency reduction or having the 1 operate in overlapping sections in old money Elephant - Hampstead/Canada W - Tottenham Ct to save contract costs etc would be a more viable option , surely Tfl should be looking at things like overlaps etc to save money again ?
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Post by greenboy on Nov 22, 2021 13:24:05 GMT
Probably not........ the 1,168,188 is a rather obvious one! Pretty much for 188, everyone expected TFL would would temper with it but for 168, the Holborn to Aldwych section is literally the mid section of the route so I didn’t think TFL would mess with it. An unintended consequence is that route 1 becomes a bit more high profile, I think it's always been a bit of a Cinderella route over the years.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 22, 2021 13:27:17 GMT
I don’t think the 1 & 168 would cause much issue as both routes are similar. However a slight frequency increase may be needed. The 168 removed from Old Kent Road however forces everyone to use the 172 which previously had extras between Old Kent Road Tesco & Elephant & Castle The 1 is prone to congestion but currently gets away with it due to its relatively short routing - when you combine that with a substantial chunk of the 168, it has the ability to cause problems. Yes around Bricklayers Arms good point. Would also make the route 10 miles long. In addition the 172 could have also been considered as a replacement for the 168. 172 doesn’t hit many traffic hotspots either.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 22, 2021 13:31:42 GMT
I actually genuinely want to know if someone on this forum is a council member of TFL administration because this isn’t the first time people have predicted stuff and it’s come true I do think it was probably known and leaked to the forum as this has been mentioned an awful lot. The 21 being cut back was mentioned a lot so maybe sometimes duff info is given as that’s proposed to be extended.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 22, 2021 13:38:42 GMT
I actually genuinely want to know if someone on this forum is a council member of TFL administration because this isn’t the first time people have predicted stuff and it’s come true I do think it was probably known and leaked to the forum as this has been mentioned an awful lot. The 21 being cut back was mentioned a lot so maybe sometimes duff info is given as that’s proposed to be extended. Half and half. Yes the 21 is being extended but as people on here said the 141 could probably cope from Newington Green and it seems TFL agree now.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2021 13:44:49 GMT
On looking at this change at first I thought this would make the 1 a very long route ( and I'm a fan of long routes ) but realistically this is about a mile or two longer than the current 168 , however there is a lot of traffic around Bermondsey and Rotherhithe I can see this heavily affecting reliability , I think cutting the 168 back to Elephant with a frequency reduction or having the 1 operate in overlapping sections in old money Elephant - Hampstead/Canada W - Tottenham Ct to save contract costs etc would be a more viable option , surely Tfl should be looking at things like overlaps etc to save money again ? They could of saved money by cutting the 168 to Holborn as the 1 could then be left alone. If there was room at Aldwych, you could even cut it there and then anyone wanting to go further south would have the 172 still providing a link to Old Kent Road
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 22, 2021 13:55:24 GMT
I actually genuinely want to know if someone on this forum is a council member of TFL administration because this isn’t the first time people have predicted stuff and it’s come true Someone earlier this year mentioned there were reviews around the Hampstead and Highgate areas. Possibly mentioned Wood Green is also being reviewed, may need confirmation on this.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 22, 2021 13:56:49 GMT
On looking at this change at first I thought this would make the 1 a very long route ( and I'm a fan of long routes ) but realistically this is about a mile or two longer than the current 168 , however there is a lot of traffic around Bermondsey and Rotherhithe I can see this heavily affecting reliability , I think cutting the 168 back to Elephant with a frequency reduction or having the 1 operate in overlapping sections in old money Elephant - Hampstead/Canada W - Tottenham Ct to save contract costs etc would be a more viable option , surely Tfl should be looking at things like overlaps etc to save money again ? They could of saved money by cutting the 168 to Holborn as the 1 could then be left alone. If there was room at Aldwych, you could even cut it there and then anyone wanting to go further south would have the 172 still providing a link to Old Kent Road But surely that would be worse as people would loose a direct Hampstead Heath and Camden link to Aldwych/Waterloo/Elephant.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2021 14:02:37 GMT
They could of saved money by cutting the 168 to Holborn as the 1 could then be left alone. If there was room at Aldwych, you could even cut it there and then anyone wanting to go further south would have the 172 still providing a link to Old Kent Road But surely that would be worse as people would loose a direct Hampstead Heath and Camden link to Aldwych/Waterloo/Elephant. TBH, I don’t think many people are going beyond Aldwych on a 168 so would really be worse than merging two routes together into a potentially unreliable long one. The northern part of the 168 should actually become more manageable as a result
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Post by abellion on Nov 22, 2021 14:02:49 GMT
They could of saved money by cutting the 168 to Holborn as the 1 could then be left alone. If there was room at Aldwych, you could even cut it there and then anyone wanting to go further south would have the 172 still providing a link to Old Kent Road But surely that would be worse as people would loose a direct Hampstead Heath and Camden link to Aldwych/Waterloo/Elephant. TfL can cut it to Aldwych and tell people to use the Northern Line instead
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Post by WH241 on Nov 22, 2021 14:13:25 GMT
They could of saved money by cutting the 168 to Holborn as the 1 could then be left alone. If there was room at Aldwych, you could even cut it there and then anyone wanting to go further south would have the 172 still providing a link to Old Kent Road But surely that would be worse as people would loose a direct Hampstead Heath and Camden link to Aldwych/Waterloo/Elephant. But what makes those areas special that they can maintain certain links whilst other area get cuts and told to use hopper fares.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 22, 2021 14:30:09 GMT
But surely that would be worse as people would loose a direct Hampstead Heath and Camden link to Aldwych/Waterloo/Elephant. But what makes those areas special that they can maintain certain links whilst other area get cuts and told to use hopper fares. Also if the Hampstead mob vow to save the 168 tfl can always run this consultation again and say the 168 is saved...it's now extended to Canada Water.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 22, 2021 14:37:49 GMT
It's the least worst solution. The 168 survives as the 1, while those in Bermondsey and Surrey Quays get new connections to Euston, Camden and Hampstead.
Rerouting the 188 to Tottenham Court Road also ensures most passengers in SE16 still have a direct bus to Tottenham Court Road which for those east of Surrey Quays gives bus connections to the West End from Greenwich.
With the hopper fare, those who used the 168 from the Old Kent Road can just get on any bus and change on the New Kent Road for the 1 which should alleviate fears of everyone jumping on the 172 to get to Waterloo and Aldwych. In any case, the Elephant and Castle has better connections for the Waterloo corridor where there's still the 68 and 176 also going to Waterloo and Aldwych, while the 188 will still serve Holborn in addition to the 1.
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