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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Dec 4, 2021 21:32:35 GMT
Go for it! I am going to say OmniCity.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Dec 4, 2021 21:34:54 GMT
Sorry if any are missing, such as the VE and EHV. Polls can't be edited unfortunately.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 4, 2021 22:27:14 GMT
Gotta be the DB300 Gemini 2's or DWs.
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 5, 2021 14:18:20 GMT
Citaro K and OmniCity
If the OmniCity didn't exist I would choose the Enviro 400 (Original)
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Post by M1104 on Dec 5, 2021 21:14:32 GMT
A tie between B9TLs and DB300s
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 5, 2021 21:33:21 GMT
Is there an option for the B5LH MMC?
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Post by vjaska on Dec 5, 2021 22:14:07 GMT
Is there an option for the B5LH MMC? Nope, OP missed it out when constructing the poll. I voted for the B9TL simply because when you get a good one, you sure know about. They can go from very sedate to suddenly treating a hill like a straight road. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 5, 2021 22:18:54 GMT
A tie between B9TLs and DB300s DB300 in the lead now |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 5, 2021 23:10:31 GMT
Is there an option for the B5LH MMC? Nope, OP missed it out when constructing the poll. I voted for the B9TL simply because when you get a good one, you sure know about. They can go from very sedate to suddenly treating a hill like a straight road. Have to agree with that, the B9TL is certainly the model I'd choose from the late noughties. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2022 0:56:51 GMT
Nope, OP missed it out when constructing the poll. I voted for the B9TL simply because when you get a good one, you sure know about. They can go from very sedate to suddenly treating a hill like a straight road. Couldn't agree with you more. I'm a regular B9TL user, whether it be the 81 (majority of the time) or 237/E8. Though it also depends on the driver too, e.g I though VW1830 and VW1378 was pretty slow until I got the right driver! If you're looking for a fun one to ride, I'd highly recommend VW1387  (the fire repaired damaged one) I am still yet to be convinced about the B9TL. Think the problem is the majority have no natural kickdown. To me they are just boring, no sweet revving like how a B7TL would do with kickdown. I was on a DB300; DW249, the other day it left the B9TL for dust. I have heard the excuse for hills with the B9TL, but what is the point when the majority of roads are flat. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2022 3:30:26 GMT
Couldn't agree with you more. I'm a regular B9TL user, whether it be the 81 (majority of the time) or 237/E8. Though it also depends on the driver too, e.g I though VW1830 and VW1378 was pretty slow until I got the right driver! If you're looking for a fun one to ride, I'd highly recommend VW1387 (the fire repaired damaged one) I am still yet to be convinced about the B9TL. Think the problem is the majority have no natural kickdown. To me they are just boring, no sweet revving like how a B7TL would do with kickdown. I was on a DB300; DW249, the other day it left the B9TL for dust. I have heard the excuse for hills with the B9TL, but what is the point when the majority of roads are flat. What excuse, they are fine with flat roads as well? It's perfectly fine to not like them due to them being boring but performance wise, most are fine unlike Arriva's DW's where it's very hit & miss depending on batch & garage. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2022 10:15:14 GMT
I am still yet to be convinced about the B9TL. Think the problem is the majority have no natural kickdown. To me they are just boring, no sweet revving like how a B7TL would do with kickdown. I was on a DB300; DW249, the other day it left the B9TL for dust. I have heard the excuse for hills with the B9TL, but what is the point when the majority of roads are flat. What excuse, they are fine with flat roads as well? It's perfectly fine to not like them due to them being boring but performance wise, most are fine unlike Arriva's DW's where it's very hit & miss depending on batch & garage. I have been on some B9TL's and I really wanted to cry, depressingly slow. Even a snail would go past and have a laugh at the bus. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2022 12:27:37 GMT
What excuse, they are fine with flat roads as well? It's perfectly fine to not like them due to them being boring but performance wise, most are fine unlike Arriva's DW's where it's very hit & miss depending on batch & garage. I have been on some B9TL's and I really wanted to cry, depressingly slow. Even a snail would go past and have a laugh at the bus. We can all say we’ve been on examples of a type of bus was slow so doesn’t mean they’re all bad |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 12, 2022 18:38:18 GMT
Couldn't agree with you more. I'm a regular B9TL user, whether it be the 81 (majority of the time) or 237/E8. Though it also depends on the driver too, e.g I though VW1830 and VW1378 was pretty slow until I got the right driver! If you're looking for a fun one to ride, I'd highly recommend VW1387 (the fire repaired damaged one) I am still yet to be convinced about the B9TL. Think the problem is the majority have no natural kickdown. To me they are just boring, no sweet revving like how a B7TL would do with kickdown. I was on a DB300; DW249, the other day it left the B9TL for dust. I have heard the excuse for hills with the B9TL, but what is the point when the majority of roads are flat. Having no 'proper' kickdown helps the B9TLs (with their 9.4L, 260bhp units) consume less fuel but on the flipside means their DPF filter's 'likely' to clogg up sooner as their powerful low revv torque means the engine doesn't get a chance on a good workout, unless in top gear at high speeds. The E40Ds and DB300s with their smaller 6.7L units and working¹ kickdown gives them more frequent chances of higher engine revvs and likely thus takes longer for their DPFs to clogg up. However all in all it's down to general maintenance plus a possible factor that some B9TLs may actually be purposely powered down where others of the type can be just as fast as an E40D/DB300 on the flat and on inclines. I've not been on a Sutton B9TL that i can remember but given the general performance of their E40Ds (DOEs) and their B7TLs (PVLs) beforehand I'm guessing their B9TLs are pretty gutsy. ¹ - not all but far more than the B9TLs |
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(the fire repaired damaged one)