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Post by spiffenage on Dec 15, 2021 8:27:57 GMT
I have searched the Bus Forum in vain for a thread on this topic but couldn't find one . This merger has more effect on the West Midlands but National Express Transport Solutions (NETS) has a small presence in London and outstation s dotted over the south of England. The West Midlands buss operation is only problematic for the Completion Mergers Agency are operations into Coventry Either Coventry may have to be sold or Nuneaton/Rugby Stagecoach depots. Interesting times ahead!
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 15, 2021 8:52:23 GMT
I have searched the Bus Forum in vain for a thread on this topic but couldn't find one . This merger has more effect on the West Midlands but National Express Transport Solutions (NETS) has a small presence in London and outstation s dotted over the south of England. The West Midlands buss operation is only problematic for the Completion Mergers Agency are operations into Coventry Either Coventry may have to be sold or Nuneaton/Rugby Stagecoach depots. Interesting times ahead! There has been some discussion of this in the Stagecoach London thread, although like you I think it deserves a thread to itself. I've read lots of speculation that either NXWM Coventry or Stagecoach Rugby & Nuneaton would have to be sold, but I haven't seen any confirmation that the Completion Mergers Agency are requiring this. Coventry is covered by an Enhanced Bus Partnership and won a bid for Government funding to convert the City's entire bus network to electric operation by 2025, which makes me suspect the status quo will prevail and neither NXWM nor Stagecoach will be required to divest anything. Any issue that the merger might have caused in Dundee was sidestepped when National Express sold Xplore Dundee to McGill's at the end of 2020. Stagecoach will divest the planning and marketing (including fares) of Megabus services, South West Falcon and its 35% share of Scottish Citylink to Comfort DelGro. It will continue to operate the services for now, but as a sub-contractor of Comfort DelGro. Obviously there will be changes over the coming months, as the merged company reviews its structure and operations. Apparently though the Stagecoach name is to be retained for local bus operations although I doubt NXWM will be rebranded.
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2021 9:10:56 GMT
I have searched the Bus Forum in vain for a thread on this topic but couldn't find one . This merger has more effect on the West Midlands but National Express Transport Solutions (NETS) has a small presence in London and outstation s dotted over the south of England. The West Midlands buss operation is only problematic for the Completion Mergers Agency are operations into Coventry Either Coventry may have to be sold or Nuneaton/Rugby Stagecoach depots. Interesting times ahead! There has been some discussion of this in the Stagecoach London thread, although like you I think it deserves a thread to itself. I've read lots of speculation that either NXWM Coventry or Stagecoach Rugby & Nuneaton would have to be sold, but I haven't seen any confirmation that the Completion Mergers Agency are requiring this. Coventry is covered by an Enhanced Bus Partnership and won a bid for Government funding to convert the City's entire bus network to electric operation by 2025, which makes me suspect the status quo will prevail and neither NXWM nor Stagecoach will be required to divest anything. Any issue that the merger might have caused in Dundee was sidestepped when National Express sold Xplore Dundee to McGill's at the end of 2020. Stagecoach will divest the planning and marketing (including fares) of Megabus services, South West Falcon and its 35% share of Scottish Citylink to Comfort DelGro. It will continue to operate the services for now, but as a sub-contractor of Comfort DelGro. Obviously there will be changes over the coming months, as the merged company reviews its structure and operations. Apparently though the Stagecoach name is to be retained for local bus operations although I doubt NXWM will be rebranded. The merger isn’t complete yet. Some reports I’ve seen suggest it won’t be complete until late 2022 so I wouldn’t expect many changes until then. The CMA, Competition and Markets Authority, hasn’t gotten involved yet but Stagecoach are being proactive and selling areas that may be a cause for concern. There may need to be some more concessions but I’d guess it depends on how closely their bus operations touch. Besides the CMA seems to be quite a soft touch on transport, after all they allowed First to run SWR and GWR with some small concessions, so I wouldn’t expect anything major.
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 15, 2021 10:26:27 GMT
Given that there are plans for Coventry then it'll be the Nuneaton and/or Rugby that may have to be divested by Stagecoach as they have routes running into the city
I wonder whether the NXWM fleet could retain the existing livery in the same manner as Stagecoach London does?
It's only early days at them moment any changes are for the 2022 diary.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 16, 2021 10:26:45 GMT
A general national Stagecoach thread, as this could be, is a good idea - well done spiffenage . (I still think Stagecoach need to reconsider their terrible new livery though 😂 )
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 16, 2021 11:27:06 GMT
I think it is a major shame that it has come to this. If the merger is a 75% to National Express, in effect it is a takeover. I would have never thought the mighty Stagecoach would have come to this. The biggest mistake they made was Coach USA. Entering the USA saw them lose money and they were never able to turn the already loss making US companies around. It all made sense in terms of globalisation, but certain markets would always be hard to turn around. Even sadder is that they have now sold megabus.Stagecoach and National Express agree to mergeRival bus groups Stagecoach and National Express have agreed to merge.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-59652889
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 16, 2021 18:29:20 GMT
This merger reminds me of the 1962 Leyland/AEC merger which after 18 years spelt the end of AEC. Leyland vanished as well in 1993
Back to NatEx Stagecoach I have been pondering fleet numbering for this group.
First are DOUBLE DECKERS. The current 10000-19999 range will have to be expanded perhaps to start at 00001 to accommodate the vast fleet of Dennis/ADL Trident 400 series The NXWM 4xxx series would become 04xxx. NETS two DTs to be 04001/2 The five Wrightbus Streetdecks could be 03001-5 and electric Streetdecks 03101-03120 as no equivalent buses run with Stagecoach.
The NXWM Scanias 4777-80 Also tbecome 15062-5. E40H5401-30 to be 12501-30 B5LH 5501-18 to be 13201-18 BYD DDS to be ?14201-30] E400s 61xx to be 186xx, 6700-6999 to be 18700-999 7000, 75xx to be 10201 up. E400 19900 to be 19880..
[Alternately NXWM Volvo B7s could be numbered in the 16700-899 range with ALL 21Volvo B9s becoming 16979-99.Heritage fleetNXWM to.be 19914-9, Olympians 14000/951 to become 19910/01 PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE UNOFFICIAL IDEAS only. I will deal with single deckers, coaches, NEAT and NETS in another post.
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 17, 2021 10:31:30 GMT
DOUBLE DECK buses H1001-20 provisionally to be 03101-20 Wrightbus hybrids. Currently there is no number series for Wrightbus DDs
9 wmm] UNOFFICIAL - these are only my suggestion s.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 17, 2021 12:22:42 GMT
DOUBLE DECK buses H1001-20 provisionally to be 03101-20 Wrightbus hybrids. Currently there is no number series for Wrightbus DDs NETS have 20 Volvo B7/B9 which could be 05800-19 UNOFFICIAL - these are only my suggestion s. 0/1 : double deck 2/3 : single deck of smallest E200MMC size, and larger 4/5 : minibuses 6/7 : coaches All done 😛😂
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 17, 2021 15:50:32 GMT
SINGLE DECK The 20 Enviro200s at NEAT/NETS to be 35051-70
27 Mercedes artics at Stansted 23001-27 and rigid Citaros 23101-16.
ADL E20Ds 801-875 to be 34901-75, 7xx series to be 34976-95,. 2201-48 to be 35001-48.
Scanuas 1788-1953 to be 28188-28353. 7019 to 7033 to be 28359 to 28373. Volvo B7RLE 2001-2177 to be 21001-21177. Wrightbus Streetlites 431/3/5 to be 43014-6
AGAIN this is UNOFFICIAL
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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2021 16:00:40 GMT
DOUBLE DECK buses H1001-20 provisionally to be 03101-20 Wrightbus hybrids. Currently there is no number series for Wrightbus DDs NETS have 20 Volvo B7/B9 which could be 05800-19 UNOFFICIAL - these are only my suggestion s. 0/1 : double deck 2/3 : single deck of smallest E200MMC size, and larger 4/5 : minibuses 6/7 : coaches All done 😛😂 Would it not be in the best interest of National Express to adopt Stagecoach's numbering system rather than the other way around especially when NX fleet is much smaller than the Stagecoach fleet?
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 17, 2021 16:08:51 GMT
0/1 : double deck 2/3 : single deck of smallest E200MMC size, and larger 4/5 : minibuses 6/7 : coaches All done 😛😂 Would it not be in the best interest of National Express to adopt Stagecoach's numbering system rather than the other way around especially when NX fleet is much smaller than the Stagecoach fleet? I probably wasn’t terribly clear, vjaska : I agree that NatEx should probably adopt the Stagecoach numbering when the time comes.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 18, 2021 1:33:22 GMT
Why have Stagecoach and FirstGroup been so diminished?- Why have Scotland's two public transport giants been so diminished?
- First Group in Aberdeen has had to sell its core US business, and fallen back on the bus services it wanted to sell
- Stagecoach merges with National Express to tap into green and net zero opportunities, but also because it ran out of the fuel for expansion.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-59664368
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 18, 2021 6:14:59 GMT
Unofficial suggestions for NatEx Stagecoach merger I have decided due to the complexity of NatEx coach fleet numbers to tot up the amount of each type and allocate locks instead
COACHES (full size)
Single Deck Volvo B9R. 26 (537xx) Volvo B11R. 43.(538xx) Volvo B8R. 6 (539xx) Scania. 184.(59001-184) Existing Scania added Mercedes full size 57 (580xx) Irizar. 33.(582xx) Yutong. 15 (583xx) Van Hool. 4 (5840x) VDL Bova. 4 (5842x) MAN. 4 (5844x) Neoplan. 2 (5846x) MB Vario. 8 (44900-7)
DOUBLE DECK Scania. 6 (5010x) VDL Bova. 4 (5012x) MAN. 1 (5013x) Van Hool. 4 (502xx)
That sorts the coaches out, all that's left are the minibuses of NEAT.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 18, 2021 7:29:20 GMT
As the NatEx/Stagecoach merger is not due for completion until late 2022, it will take much longer than the Badgerline/GRT merger (to FirstBus) in 1995.
My theory in 1995 was that Badgerline wanted to be the first (ie largest) bus company in England & Wales, while GRT wanted a similar status in Scotland. So I thought they had decided to merge with a view to becoming the first/largest bus company in Britain. They achieved this in 1996 when they purchased Strathclyde Buses (along with Kelvin Central then owned by SB). Subsequent ad-hoc service cuts and Stagecoach expansions meant Stagecoach regained pole position in 2010 (upon re-acquistion of East London & Selkent).
Recent divestments by First, including some of course to Stagecoach, together with this merger, make it very unlikely First will ever become the largest bus company in Britain again.
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