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Post by spiffenage on Dec 18, 2021 9:28:13 GMT
MINIBUSES mostly NEAT.
Ford Transit A101-320/501-40 to become 40101-40360, NETS 3 Tourneos become 40401-3 .Mercedes Sprinter s to become 44101-80 (Inc 3 Mobility., some with NETS Peugeot Boxer 40000/1, Iveco 40010-2, Fiat Ducato 40901-37 VW Crafter .40801-14
Heritage MB Vario 40933 to be 40999. This is unofficial and they might not use my scheme. There is a Stagecoach fleetlists online which will be updated in 2022. NEAT is NatExp Accessible Transport and NETS is NatExp Transport Solutions. I hope NatEx Stagecoach don't use NETS fleet. number system!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 18, 2021 12:07:31 GMT
Oh boy, what is with all these 'unofficial' fantasy bus lists. Would it not be better to just wait to see what would happen or just put them on the many other fantasy bus threads within this forum.
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 18, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
I've finished now except for the heritage buses. AFAIK the 199xx numbers are internal, or on a small window sticker.
NXWM Dennis Trident 4125 should become 19900 (present 19900 to be 19880). Former WMPTE Guy Arab IV MOF 35 to be 19914 and Daimler CVG6 MOF 225 to be 19915. . MCW Metrobus 2957to be 19916,Daimler Fleetlines 3997 to be 19917, short Walsall Fleetlines 119L to be 19919. The saved Volvo. B6 and Dennis Dart 32501 to become 39902/01. And that is that!
Online fleetlists by UK Buses, Quack77 and the Stagecoach Fleet and Photo Lists have been a useful guidance
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 18, 2021 21:34:42 GMT
Oh boy, what is with all these 'unofficial' fantasy bus lists. Would it not be better to just wait to see what would happen or just put them on the many other fantasy bus threads within this forum. They probably won't renumber anything into the Stagecoach fleet numbering series, or renumber anything to the NEG system.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 18, 2021 22:04:03 GMT
Oh boy, what is with all these 'unofficial' fantasy bus lists. Would it not be better to just wait to see what would happen or just put them on the many other fantasy bus threads within this forum. They probably won't renumber anything into the Stagecoach fleet numbering series, or renumber anything to the NEG system. Not immediately, but I assume if Stagecoach is to be used for local bus services, then NXWM will be absorbed into Stagecoach as the smaller fleet, and subsequently re numbered over time. The new group will want to avoid duplication of services if there are any where NX and Stagecoach routes converge.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2021 2:22:33 GMT
I've finished now except for the heritage buses. AFAIK the 199xx numbers are internal, or on a small window sticker. London TA1 should become 19900 (present 19900 to be 19880). Former WMPTE Guy Arab IV MOF reg to be 19914/5. . MCW Metrobus 2957to be 19916,Daimler Fleetlines 3997 to be 19917, short Walsall Fleetlines 119L to be 19919. The saved Volvo. B6 and Dennis Dart 32501 to become 39902/01. And that is that! Online fleetkists by UK Buses, Quack77 and the Stagecoach Fleet and Photo Lists have been a useful guidance You do realise Stagecoach no longer have TA1
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 19, 2021 10:02:12 GMT
I thought TA1 was 17001 and being the first LFDD bus with Stagecoach London was a heritage vehicle Anyway NXWM 4125 a similar Dennis Trident is classed às a heritage bus. Going back in time the PTEs started in late 1969 but nothing much happened until spring 1970 .Scary to think how long ago that was...
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2021 11:12:20 GMT
I thought TA1 was 17001 and being the first LFDD bus with Stagecoach London was a heritage vehicle Anyway NXWM 4125 a similar Dennis Trident is classed às a heritage bus. Going back in time the PTEs started in late 1969 but nothing much happened until spring 1970 .Scary to think how long ago that was... 17001 has been privately owned by Bromley Bus Group for a while now
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 19, 2021 20:17:41 GMT
I was wondering why 17001 had vanished from fleet lists . I'm starting to save up for a British Bus Publishing combined Nat Exp Stagecoach editiion although that mày becsome time away, COVID and circumstances permitting
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 19, 2021 21:34:29 GMT
I was wondering why 17001 had vanished from fleet lists . I'm starting to save up for a British Bus Publishing combined Nat Exp Stagecoach editiion although that mày becsome time away, COVID and circumstances permitting It will be a long time off because the merger is not expected to be complete until the end of 2022. They are unlikely to start doing anything major like merging fleets until it is fully closed out.
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 20, 2021 11:29:10 GMT
I wonder what plans there are for NEAT and NETS?
NETS (National Express Transport Solutions is a rather fragmented collection of small operators dotted over the south of England plus one outpost in Wigston Leicestershire They have a mixed bag of coaches and ageing double decks. Some of their activities appear to be non-core, such as school contracts. I wonder if NatEx would keep the coach fleet, the staff contracts but dispose of the double deckers (mostly Volvo B9s.with a pàir each of B7s and Dennis Tridents). And also bring the coach fleet under the heading National Express South or South East? There is a London operation bàsed in Lower Sydenham (Clarke's). The King's Ferry operation is another having been affected by COVID decimating it's commuter business . Another discovery (to me) is that the Stansted Airport comes under the wing (no pun) of NXWM and they have bought a fleet of Merc Benz Artics (20 reg) the first major UK order Artics for nearly a decade . As for NATEXP Stagecoach plans it's Que Sera Sera etc.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 8, 2022 12:04:49 GMT
There is one sad aspect about Stagecoach being absorbed into the larger National Express group.
National Express rose from the privatisation of coach operator National Express. First rose from the privatisations of municipal Grampian Regional Transport and National Bus Company subsidiary Badgerline. Go-Ahead rose from the privatisation of National Bus Company subsidiary Northern General.
Arriva as Cowie started as a car dealership/leasing company who through Grey Green and other bus acquisitions became a national bus company. They are now part of established German rail company Deutsche Bahn.
Stagecoach differed from the others for being an entrepreneurship set up upon deregulation of coach services, and then expanded large scale following the deregulation of bus services plus privatisation of London buses.
So, it is sad to reflect on there being in a sense no large independent entrepreneurship remaining once Stagecoach is subsumed into National Express later this year. (It does seem inevitable that shareholders will approve the merger).
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Post by spiffenage on Jan 12, 2022 13:43:15 GMT
I be had furthher thoughts about this merged fleet.
NETS (Woods of Wigston should be out under the umbrella of NXWM as it is the only NETS operation outside of the south. Stansted Airport buses are under NXWM. Woods has only a smallish coach fleet.
I have had more thoughts about fleet numbering.. What should happen is that hybrid or battery electric double deckers should be 0xxxx and diesels 1xxxx.
The LT fleet should become 00239-00390 (internally).
NXWM Wrightbus Streetdecks H1001-20 should become 01001-20. ADL E40H 12001-451 to become 02001-02451, 11556 up become 02556 up. NXWM 5401-30 to be 02501-30. Volvo B5LH NXWM 5501-18 bec03001-18, 13041-13117 become 03041-03117. BYDs 14001 up become 04001 up with NXWMs 29 becoming 04301-29.
DIESEL DOUBLE DECKERS.
Wrightbus 3301-5 to become 11901-5. Leyland Olympians 14000/951 to become 19910/01.
Dennis Trident NXWM to be 19900 (ADL E400 19900 become 19880). NETS Dennis Tridents E-BUS and F-BUS become 14998/9.
NXWM 4xxx series Dennis Tridents to become 14xxx, 4799 becomes 14816.
With a growing proportion of double deckers in the merged fleet it makes sense to give the ascendant electric/ DD hybrid fleet its own fleet number series Single deck hybrids are not as common and present no challenge to the system although it might be wise to set aside 20xxx series for such vehicles
P.S I have just discovered that 11xxx upward are mostly ADL E40H, therefore those 11xxx would have to become 01xxx. However the DIESEL 11xxx series keep their numbers Im surprised that Stagecoach mixed hybrids and diesels together. Anyway my scheme sorts that out! The NXWM Wrightbus Streetdecks hybrids to be 03901-20 -reviewed if more similar buses enter service.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 12, 2022 19:35:01 GMT
I be had furthher thoughts about this merged fleet. NETS (Woods of Wigston should be out under the umbrella of NXWM as it is the only NETS operation outside of the south. Stansted Airport buses are under NXWM. Woods has only a smallish coach fleet. I have had more thoughts about fleet numbering.. What should happen is that hybrid or battery electric double deckers should be 0xxxx and diesels 1xxxx. The LT fleet should become 00239-00390 (internally). NXWM Wrightbus Streetdecks H1001-20 should become 01001-20. ADL E40H 12001-451 to become 02001-02451, 11556 up become 02556 up. NXWM 5401-30 to be 02501-30. Volvo B5LH NXWM 5501-18 bec03001-18, 13041-13117 become 03041-03117. BYDs 14001 up become 04001 up with NXWMs 29 becoming 04301-29. DIESEL DOUBLE DECKERS. Wrightbus 3301-5 to become 11901-5. Leyland Olympians 14000/951 to become 19910/01. Dennis Trident NXWM to be 19900 (ADL E400 19900 become 19880). NETS Dennis Tridents E-BUS and F-BUS become 14998/9. NXWM 4xxx series Dennis Tridents to become 14xxx, 4799 becomes 14816. With a growing proportion of double deckers in the merged fleet it makes sense to give the ascendant electric/ DD hybrid fleet its own fleet number series Single deck hybrids are not as common and present no challenge to the system although it might be wise to set aside 20xxx series for such vehicles Best to wait and see what happens at the end of the year, these things take time
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Post by LVF_Admin on Jan 13, 2022 9:42:36 GMT
I be had furthher thoughts about this merged fleet. NETS (Woods of Wigston should be out under the umbrella of NXWM as it is the only NETS operation outside of the south. Stansted Airport buses are under NXWM. Woods has only a smallish coach fleet. I have had more thoughts about fleet numbering.. What should happen is that hybrid or battery electric double deckers should be 0xxxx and diesels 1xxxx. The LT fleet should become 00239-00390 (internally). NXWM Wrightbus Streetdecks H1001-20 should become 01001-20. ADL E40H 12001-451 to become 02001-02451, 11556 up become 02556 up. NXWM 5401-30 to be 02501-30. Volvo B5LH NXWM 5501-18 bec03001-18, 13041-13117 become 03041-03117. BYDs 14001 up become 04001 up with NXWMs 29 becoming 04301-29. DIESEL DOUBLE DECKERS. Wrightbus 3301-5 to become 11901-5. Leyland Olympians 14000/951 to become 19910/01. Dennis Trident NXWM to be 19900 (ADL E400 19900 become 19880). NETS Dennis Tridents E-BUS and F-BUS become 14998/9. NXWM 4xxx series Dennis Tridents to become 14xxx, 4799 becomes 14816. With a growing proportion of double deckers in the merged fleet it makes sense to give the ascendant electric/ DD hybrid fleet its own fleet number series Single deck hybrids are not as common and present no challenge to the system although it might be wise to set aside 20xxx series for such vehicles Best to wait and see what happens at the end of the year, these things take time If/When there is a renumbering spare a thought for the poor LVF Admin who will renumber them all on LVF
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