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Post by spiffenage on Jan 14, 2022 6:22:45 GMT
This takeover or merger looks like a smaller company taking over a larger one but obviously NX is an international organisation
NX (NETS) fleet numbering is a dog's breakfast with either a letter prefix on some vehicles, another system which uses seats plus a serial numbers. Other vehicles have no number.The Stagecoach system with a 2 digit type code followed by a three digit number. There are sufficient gaps for coaches and minibuses but not for double decks Firsts system. Yes, it's early days and as the Brownies say"Be Prepared!
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Post by spiffenage on Jan 14, 2022 19:19:10 GMT
I've finished now except for the heritage buses. AFAIK the 199xx numbers are internal, or on a small window sticker. NXWM Dennis Trident 4125 should become 19900 (present 19900 to be 19880). Former WMPTE Guy Arab IV MOF 35 to be 19914 and Daimler CVG6 MOF 225 to be 19915. . MCW Metrobus 2957to be 19916,Daimler Fleetlines 3997 to be 19917, short Walsall Fleetlines 119L to be 19919. The saved Volvo. B6 and Dennis Dart 32501 to become 39902/01.Kilmarnock based ex London Titan 11083 should be 19906 And that is that! Online fleetlists by UK Buses, Quack77 and the Stagecoach Fleet and Photo Lists have been a useful guidance
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 14, 2022 19:27:08 GMT
I've finished now except for the heritage buses. AFAIK the 199xx numbers are internal, or on a small window sticker. NXWM Dennis Trident 4125 should become 19900 (present 19900 to be 19880). Former WMPTE Guy Arab IV MOF 35 to be 19914 and Daimler CVG6 MOF 225 to be 19915. . MCW Metrobus 2957to be 19916,Daimler Fleetlines 3997 to be 19917, short Walsall Fleetlines 119L to be 19919. The saved Volvo. B6 and Dennis Dart 32501 to become 39902/01.Kilmarnock based ex London Titan 11083 should be 19906 And that is that! Online fleetlists by UK Buses, Quack77 and the Stagecoach Fleet and Photo Lists have been a useful guidance What allowance have you made for the ALSA fleet which looks like it shares a common system with the UK operations.
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Post by spiffenage on Jan 16, 2022 4:23:19 GMT
Thanks SILENCED My NX-STA scheme only covers UK operations I don't think there will be an international fleet numbering system and its hard work devising them! So ALSA could do a seating capacity plus system if that's what they do but no señor I'm leaving that one!
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Post by spiffenage on Jan 21, 2022 19:07:45 GMT
Recent discoveries mean my joint numbering plan needs amending.
E40D Smart hybrids 11001-81,1116¹-91 , 113xx become 01001 etc. 11xxx diesels no change. NXWM 6893-6999 to be 01893-01999, 7500-42, 7000 to be11800-43. 6101-48 to be 18901-48 6700-892 to be 18700-18892. Oh Boy!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 23, 2022 11:31:37 GMT
From what I can see, the privatisations of NBC, SBG, LBL and all but the final 8 Municipals will mean that, due to subsequent mergers, takeovers and divestments, the privatised mainstream bus industry will just have 15 owners as follows:
"National Stagecoach" First Deutsche Bahn - Arriva Go-Ahead Rotala
Trandev Wellglade CentreBus Midland Classic Uno
West Coast Motors McGills Comfort DelGro RATP Dev London Transit Yellow Buses
Disclaimers:
1. I have excluded independents who have emerged or grown through local expansions without taking over other "traditional" or privatised companies 2. I treat RDLT as 1 company because other RATP operations are sightseeing companies, and Tower Transit LI has always been independent and is not a successor to LBL (although routes such as route 58 are)
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Post by TNL33036 on Jan 26, 2022 11:43:23 GMT
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Post by spiffenage on Jan 26, 2022 15:38:00 GMT
It's not unexpected The Megabus network would have to be sold if it duplicate s any NatEx coach ops although if they use Stagecoach depots it may be a problem. I wonder if the non core National Express Transport Solutio.ns could be sold with the limited bus operations going to "National Stagecoach". Stagecoach depots at Nuneaton and Rugby run into Coventry These could be sold to Centrebus, Rotala and possibly Arriva although they are not acquisitive at the moment. Wait and see!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 29, 2022 5:54:17 GMT
As Stagecoach have already agreed to divest their chunk of coach services to Comfort DelGro, this should make the CMA inquiry much quicker than otherwise. While there is still the overlap in bus services around Coventry, there should be nothing commercially wrong in National Express having more of its operations run in-house ie by Stagecoach. Maybe the CMA will rule against the divested Megabus / Scottish Citylink / Falcon using Stagecoach as a contractor?
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Post by spiffenage on Feb 1, 2022 20:09:19 GMT
I could never understand NarEx modus operandi. A coach firm that owns coaches but then contracts out to rival firms. It is like McDonalds franchising out some restaurants to KFC or Burger King and insisting these adopt the M logo, while other KFC or Burger King trade separately. Indeed Stagecoach is a contractor. I'm confused dot com! Whether it is relevant perhaps the British Coachways brand could be revived. By who? Don't ask me! I should know but don't!
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Post by busoccultation on Mar 9, 2022 9:10:50 GMT
Looks like the Stagecoach/National Express merger won't be happening anymore:
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Post by WH241 on Mar 9, 2022 11:59:52 GMT
Reported elsewhere DWS are only facilitating the deal on behalf of UK Bidco Limited but then reading Bidco are owned by DWS!
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 9, 2022 12:28:12 GMT
Reported elsewhere DWS are only facilitating the deal on behalf of UK Bidco Limited but then reading Bidco are owned by DWS! From what I can see UK Bidco is a £2.5bn fund set up by DWS to invest in UK infrastructure. Whether you would class Stagecoach as infrastructure is debatable. Question is, will a failed takeover make National Express susceptable to being taken over? Many instances of this in history. Most recent in bus terms being Arriva's failed attempt to take over Keolis, ended up with them being taken over by DB.
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Post by markc on Mar 9, 2022 16:18:48 GMT
Be interesting to see what this means for Stagecoach Services across the country in the future
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 9, 2022 17:43:16 GMT
Be interesting to see what this means for Stagecoach Services across the country in the future My suspicion is little will change in the short term at least. As Astradyne/Silenced said above, it will be interesting to see what happens to National Express now. Will someone else absorb them, maybe?
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