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Post by ronnie on Feb 7, 2022 13:48:35 GMT
The 25/86/425 stop at Stratford (as is true for 104/238) is not for the faint hearted
Remember the 192 at Tottenham Hale being a tough one as well
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Post by abellion on Feb 7, 2022 16:25:53 GMT
The 69 stop at Walthamstow Central Bus Station is hell and a free for all. Another one is the 5 and 115 stop at Canning Town Bus Station Every time I get off an eastbound 115 at Canning Town there is a crowd of people trying to get on the bus and then a bunch more people pushing past when a 5 decides to depart right after a 115 appears
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 7, 2022 16:49:39 GMT
The 263 at East Finchley - always a queue. Funnily enough, the other bus stop for the 102, 234 etc doesn't have a queue. That 69 bus stop at Walthamstow doesn't seem so bad though it is a free for all. Either I'm standing right by the stop (because I seem to be good at just missing that particular route), or just wait for everyone to get on, I'm only going several stops so couldn't care less about particular seats. I avoid the 69 at Stratford Bus Station like the plague, instead hop on a 97 at Stratford Int'l instead if I'm too lazy to walk home. The 263 is normally very orderly as is with Crouch End Broadway on the W7, I do like it how there is always a queue rather than a massive huddle. I did worry when there were suggestions around 2017 to decrease the frequency as it would severely impact the Holloway Road section and the East Finchley to North Finchley section of which can get packed.
The 102 stop is very busy southbound more than northbound however that is to be expected. Hampstead G Suburb is a massive area not to have a tube station.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 7, 2022 16:53:07 GMT
Harlington Corner between 7-8am is awful, people crowd and force their way onto the 81 each morning. It's a surprise no-one ever thought of a route from Hayes to Slough, at peak times it'd be quite profitable! The downside is kids often force their way in via the rear doors which has led to some delays... Cedar Way in Slough is another awful one at peak times, as there are two secondary schools at stops prior to that one. Drivers often overshoot the stop on purpose just so they can let people off without allowing others on! Might not be too profitable if children aren't paying as of present day.
Ossulton Way on the 143 towards Brent Cross is absolutely horrendous in terms of clientele, Bishop Douglas students attempting to barge onto the bus through the back door, consistent discontent towards the elderly. I cannot think of a stop worse for behaviour than that one.
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Post by rhys on Feb 7, 2022 17:57:56 GMT
St Matthews Church bus stop Z is a nightmare even if your not waiting for a bus - because TfL have deemed the southbound Brixton Station stops as unsuitable for social distancing despite their being plenty of room there, the Tulse Hill & Herne Hill bound routes miss the important & busy Brixton Station meaning everyone is forced to either walk to Brixton Police Station or Academy stops which are further away or go to St Matthews Church where it's impossible to social distance due to the narrow change. Hilariously, the northbound Brixton Station stops are located on a narrower pavement than the southbound stops yet everything still stops at the northbound Brixton Station stops. This needs to be changed back to how it was pre pandemic! I agree, it's really frustrating catching a bus from Brixton to home. Was even worse when St Matthews Church (ZA) was closed for the better part of the last year.
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Post by riverside on Feb 7, 2022 19:52:27 GMT
Harlington Corner between 7-8am is awful, people crowd and force their way onto the 81 each morning. It's a surprise no-one ever thought of a route from Hayes to Slough, at peak times it'd be quite profitable! The downside is kids often force their way in via the rear doors which has led to some delays... Cedar Way in Slough is another awful one at peak times, as there are two secondary schools at stops prior to that one. Drivers often overshoot the stop on purpose just so they can let people off without allowing others on! Might not be too profitable if children aren't paying as of present day. Ossulton Way on the 143 towards Brent Cross is absolutely horrendous in terms of clientele, Bishop Douglas students attempting to barge onto the bus through the back door, consistent discontent towards the elderly. I cannot think of a stop worse for behaviour than that one.
If this is a regular occurrence then complaints should be made by the public and TfL to the headteacher of Bishop Douglas School.
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Post by abellion on Feb 7, 2022 20:13:17 GMT
Harlington Corner between 7-8am is awful, people crowd and force their way onto the 81 each morning. It's a surprise no-one ever thought of a route from Hayes to Slough, at peak times it'd be quite profitable! The downside is kids often force their way in via the rear doors which has led to some delays... Cedar Way in Slough is another awful one at peak times, as there are two secondary schools at stops prior to that one. Drivers often overshoot the stop on purpose just so they can let people off without allowing others on! Might not be too profitable if children aren't paying as of present day.
Ossulton Way on the 143 towards Brent Cross is absolutely horrendous in terms of clientele, Bishop Douglas students attempting to barge onto the bus through the back door, consistent discontent towards the elderly. I cannot think of a stop worse for behaviour than that one.
This always happens on Garratt Lane with Burntwood school. Somehow there is always someone getting off at Burntwood Lane or Wimbledon Road and suddenly there'll be a swarm of them standing around the back door waiting to jump on
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 7, 2022 20:24:51 GMT
Might not be too profitable if children aren't paying as of present day. Ossulton Way on the 143 towards Brent Cross is absolutely horrendous in terms of clientele, Bishop Douglas students attempting to barge onto the bus through the back door, consistent discontent towards the elderly. I cannot think of a stop worse for behaviour than that one.
If this is a regular occurrence then complaints should be made by the public and TfL to the headteacher of Bishop Douglas School. Sadly bad behaviour from schoolkids is all over London and I'm not sure what you can do to stop it, any headteacher is not going to have too much power over what happens outside the school gates. When I was in school we'd encounter Twickenham Academy and Teddington School kids in and around Twickenham generally making a nuisance of themselves on buses and you just have to live with it for the most part, unless they're clearly breaking the law of course. As with most other passengers travelling for leisure or work, I now dread seeing a swarm of school kids at a bus stop if I'm on a bus.
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Post by VMH2537 on Feb 7, 2022 20:36:06 GMT
Stop E of Eversley Park Road in particular at the afternoon peak school hours. Large groups of students boarding the W9 and the 125 towards Winchmore Hill. Occasionally some anti social behaviour occurs.
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Post by uakari on Feb 7, 2022 22:13:04 GMT
Bus stop Q northbound on Barnet Hill, supposed to be for High Barnet station but is in exactly the wrong place for catching a northbound bus from the tube. Either way you have to walk back on yourself up steep hills and experience multiple hazardous crossings with long waits. Virtually impossible for elderly and less mobile people. TfL supposedly were going to add an additional stop closer to opposite the lower station access path, but this doesn't seem to be coming to anything.
I try to avoid eastbound Camden Road Sainsburys or Wood Green station southbound, in terms of antisocial behaviour.
Also any stop where you now get run over by a bicycle because TfL in all their wisdom thought it was a good idea to put the bicycle lane between the stop and the pavement (just to spite elderly people and those with visual impairments and remind them how inferior TfL considers their safety to be vs the convenience of cyclists). So Royal College Street stop H and Osterley Library westbound, from recent experience.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 7, 2022 22:24:37 GMT
Bus stop Q northbound on Barnet Hill, supposed to be for High Barnet station but is in exactly the wrong place for catching a northbound bus from the tube. Either way you have to walk back on yourself up steep hills and experience multiple hazardous crossings with long waits. Virtually impossible for elderly and less mobile people. TfL supposedly were going to add an additional stop closer to opposite the lower station access path, but this doesn't seem to be coming to anything. I try to avoid eastbound Camden Road Sainsburys or Wood Green station southbound, in terms of antisocial behaviour. Also any stop where you now get run over by a bicycle because TfL in all their wisdom thought it was a good idea to put the bicycle lane between the stop and the pavement (just to spite elderly people and those with visual impairments and remind them how inferior TfL considers their safety to be vs the convenience of cyclists). So Royal College Street stop H and Osterley Library westbound, from recent experience. High Barnet Station is really interesting and one I hadn’t thought of. I know some people though who disband the train at East Finchley Station and then board a 263 to High Barnet in order to not have to undertake the steep incline so would agree. Perhaps moving the bus stop might be a good start?
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Post by uakari on Feb 7, 2022 22:31:05 GMT
Bus stop Q northbound on Barnet Hill, supposed to be for High Barnet station but is in exactly the wrong place for catching a northbound bus from the tube. Either way you have to walk back on yourself up steep hills and experience multiple hazardous crossings with long waits. Virtually impossible for elderly and less mobile people. TfL supposedly were going to add an additional stop closer to opposite the lower station access path, but this doesn't seem to be coming to anything. I try to avoid eastbound Camden Road Sainsburys or Wood Green station southbound, in terms of antisocial behaviour. Also any stop where you now get run over by a bicycle because TfL in all their wisdom thought it was a good idea to put the bicycle lane between the stop and the pavement (just to spite elderly people and those with visual impairments and remind them how inferior TfL considers their safety to be vs the convenience of cyclists). So Royal College Street stop H and Osterley Library westbound, from recent experience. High Barnet Station is really interesting and one I hadn’t thought of. I know some people though who disband the train at East Finchley Station and then board a 263 to High Barnet in order to not have to undertake the steep incline so would agree. Perhaps moving the bus stop might be a good start? They actually consulted on this as part of the 384 consultation, so I assumed it would happen when they said they would be going ahead with all the changes proposed. However, according to answers at MQT, they now don't want to remove the current stop because of access to QE Girls' and the roads around the bottom of the High Street. So they are considering whether to add an extra one opposite the lower station access path but also saying it would mean quite short gaps between stops. It is something people have been asking for years for better interchange from the station to northbound buses on the hill and it is unlikely any redevelopment of the station car park would allow all buses to serve the grounds themselves.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2022 22:50:36 GMT
St Matthews Church bus stop Z is a nightmare even if your not waiting for a bus - because TfL have deemed the southbound Brixton Station stops as unsuitable for social distancing despite their being plenty of room there, the Tulse Hill & Herne Hill bound routes miss the important & busy Brixton Station meaning everyone is forced to either walk to Brixton Police Station or Academy stops which are further away or go to St Matthews Church where it's impossible to social distance due to the narrow change. Hilariously, the northbound Brixton Station stops are located on a narrower pavement than the southbound stops yet everything still stops at the northbound Brixton Station stops. This needs to be changed back to how it was pre pandemic! I agree, it's really frustrating catching a bus from Brixton to home. Was even worse when St Matthews Church (ZA) was closed for the better part of the last year. Indeed, thank goodness I don't need a bus to & from work as it would drive me crazy with the current arrangements
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 7, 2022 22:52:53 GMT
There are places in London where people queue, it’s dependent on local culture. I've noticed people regularly queue at George Street in Richmond for stop A (33, 337, 493) but not stop B (all other routes). This could be due to the pavement being narrower at stop A or the fact there are simply more people who use stop B but it's an interesting observation.
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Post by george on Feb 7, 2022 23:13:17 GMT
There are places in London where people queue, it’s dependent on local culture. I've noticed people regularly queue at George Street in Richmond for stop A (33, 337, 493) but not stop B (all other routes). This could be due to the pavement being narrower at stop A or the fact there are simply more people who use stop B but it's an interesting observation. Most likely reasons is that people queing at stop A are going to Sheen so can use an route that comes whereas stop B there's more routes that are not all going in the same direction as long as the 33,337 and 493.
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