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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 10, 2022 15:06:09 GMT
Tbh I would have thought a night link from Dagenham to Romford would have been more popular for clubbers on Friday/Saturday nights as opposed to Ilford/Leytonstone. Leytonstone to Redbridge is obviously covered by the night tube itself but also the N8. Ilford is linked to the night tube for the Central and Jubilee at Straford much more frequently by the N25/N86 and the EL1 links Ilford to Longbridge Road area so really I can kind of see why demand didn't materialise as much as maybe was thought. That said it carried 31,000 passengers 2019/20 almost double the 154 (17000) and still beating the 183 (25000) and alot more then thr E1 (9000) and even lower the H37 (7600) so probably not going to bode well for any of the 24h weekend services. I did think the 154 would carry more linking Croydon and Sutton at nights as well as feeing into the Night tube. Obviously the N213 was underused hence it being axed in 2009. I don't think the N213 was under used, it was a cock up by TfL and their obsession about standardising everything. The 213 became a 24 hour route and the 154 was also supposed to become a 24 hour route but for whatever the 154 change didn't happen. As far as I remember that was never the case for the 154. Sutton/Croydon councils and the Wallington MP at the time, Tom Brake, all tried to push TfL and the mayor to make either the 154 or X26 24 hour without success. According to the council notes from the time they noted their objection to the withdrawal as a stakeholder. One of the councillors even claimed to have a sit down meeting with Peter Hendy. There were several protests outside Fairfield Halls lead by Tom Brake but it proved futile and the N213 ceased. It’s was another positive change from the early 00s when there was so much investment in the network, hard to believe it only lasted 6 years.
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Post by mkay315 on Feb 10, 2022 15:25:19 GMT
These people are really on some magic mushroom nonsense. What is this?
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Post by COBO on Feb 10, 2022 16:17:59 GMT
These people are really on some magic mushroom nonsense. What is this? Magic mushrooms đŸ˜‚
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Post by COBO on Feb 10, 2022 16:19:34 GMT
There’s no point in consultations because TfL have already made there decisions even if the majority are against it or a little are for it đŸ˜‚
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2022 17:11:15 GMT
Tbh I would have thought a night link from Dagenham to Romford would have been more popular for clubbers on Friday/Saturday nights as opposed to Ilford/Leytonstone. It's interesting you say this as a friend of mine who lives along the 174 route and now works for Go-Ahead, has long said a night route via the 174 would be pretty popular - unlike many Outer London areas, Romford does have a night scene from what I've heard
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 10, 2022 17:15:01 GMT
Tbh I would have thought a night link from Dagenham to Romford would have been more popular for clubbers on Friday/Saturday nights as opposed to Ilford/Leytonstone. It's interesting you say this as a friend of mine who lives along the 174 route and now works for Go-Ahead, has long said a night route via the 174 would be pretty popular - unlike many Outer London areas, Romford does have a night scene from what I've heard If the 174 had a night service that would downgrade the 86 to 24 hour I would assume. Or the N25 could be extended to Romford if they didn't think there was a need for 2 routes between Stratford and Ilford.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 10, 2022 17:23:46 GMT
Tbh I would have thought a night link from Dagenham to Romford would have been more popular for clubbers on Friday/Saturday nights as opposed to Ilford/Leytonstone. It's interesting you say this as a friend of mine who lives along the 174 route and now works for Go-Ahead, has long said a night route via the 174 would be pretty popular - unlike many Outer London areas, Romford does have a night scene from what I've heard Considering there isn't any university in the town like Kingston, Romford does pretty well for itself in that respect. You know what happens if the 174 was to go 24 hour: a Pandora's box of problems for TfL to decipher! The N86 would have to be reviewed in the Harold Hill area and there's some uncertainty with the 174 terminating at CEME during the night. It seems TfL are desperate not to remove the legacy rights of having a night bus from Harold Hill heading along the Romford-Ilford-Stratford corridor, and royally starving Dagenham of a much needed proper night bus service in the process.
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Post by abellion on Feb 10, 2022 18:01:39 GMT
It's interesting you say this as a friend of mine who lives along the 174 route and now works for Go-Ahead, has long said a night route via the 174 would be pretty popular - unlike many Outer London areas, Romford does have a night scene from what I've heard Considering there isn't any university in the town like Kingston, Romford does pretty well for itself in that respect. You know what happens if the 174 was to go 24 hour: a Pandora's box of problems for TfL to decipher! The N86 would have to be reviewed in the Harold Hill area and there's some uncertainty with the 174 terminating at CEME during the night. It seems TfL are desperate not to remove the legacy rights of having a night bus from Harold Hill heading along the Romford-Ilford-Stratford corridor, and royally starving Dagenham of a much needed proper night bus service. Why can't they divert the N86 to Hornchurch or Upminster? No night buses there and it could be useful for residents
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2022 18:47:23 GMT
It's interesting you say this as a friend of mine who lives along the 174 route and now works for Go-Ahead, has long said a night route via the 174 would be pretty popular - unlike many Outer London areas, Romford does have a night scene from what I've heard Considering there isn't any university in the town like Kingston, Romford does pretty well for itself in that respect. You know what happens if the 174 was to go 24 hour: a Pandora's box of problems for TfL to decipher! The N86 would have to be reviewed in the Harold Hill area and there's some uncertainty with the 174 terminating at CEME during the night. It seems TfL are desperate not to remove the legacy rights of having a night bus from Harold Hill heading along the Romford-Ilford-Stratford corridor, and royally starving Dagenham of a much needed proper night bus service in the process. The alternative would be to just run a N174 between Dagenham, New Road & Romford instead allowing the N86 to continue to do what it currently does?
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 10, 2022 19:01:57 GMT
Considering there isn't any university in the town like Kingston, Romford does pretty well for itself in that respect. You know what happens if the 174 was to go 24 hour: a Pandora's box of problems for TfL to decipher! The N86 would have to be reviewed in the Harold Hill area and there's some uncertainty with the 174 terminating at CEME during the night. It seems TfL are desperate not to remove the legacy rights of having a night bus from Harold Hill heading along the Romford-Ilford-Stratford corridor, and royally starving Dagenham of a much needed proper night bus service. Why can't they divert the N86 to Hornchurch or Upminster? No night buses there and it could be useful for residents I've no clue. Every New Year's the 248 operates throughout the night, and usually it runs on a ~25 min frequency; which suggests demand may be more than in other suburban areas. All I know is if the 145N is removed, the residents of Dagenham have a stick to beat the Son of a Bus Driver with. Covid or not, it seems utterly foolish for TfL to remove a well used night link because it didn't hit their projected forecasts. It's not running at a loss, why touch the 145N? And just to say that the 365 does serve Abbs Cross, which is technically in the Hornchurch ward and therefore does have some sort of [meagre] night service.
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Post by uakari on Feb 10, 2022 19:06:16 GMT
Why can't they divert the N86 to Hornchurch or Upminster? No night buses there and it could be useful for residents I've no clue. Every New Year's the 248 operates throughout the night, and usually it runs on a ~25 min frequency; which suggests demand may be more than in other suburban areas. All I know is if the 145N is removed, the residents of Dagenham have a stick to beat the Son of a Bus Driver with. Covid or not, it seems utterly foolish for TfL to remove a well used night link because it didn't hit their projected forecasts. It's not running at a loss, why touch the 145N? And just to say that the 365 does serve Abbs Cross, which is technically in the Hornchurch ward and therefore does have some sort of [meagre] night service. I thought the majority of bus routes in London run at a loss in terms of percentage of running costs recovered by fares used on the route.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 10, 2022 21:17:02 GMT
I've no clue. Every New Year's the 248 operates throughout the night, and usually it runs on a ~25 min frequency; which suggests demand may be more than in other suburban areas. All I know is if the 145N is removed, the residents of Dagenham have a stick to beat the Son of a Bus Driver with. Covid or not, it seems utterly foolish for TfL to remove a well used night link because it didn't hit their projected forecasts. It's not running at a loss, why touch the 145N? And just to say that the 365 does serve Abbs Cross, which is technically in the Hornchurch ward and therefore does have some sort of [meagre] night service. I thought the majority of bus routes in London run at a loss in terms of percentage of running costs recovered by fares used on the route. Probably a reason why fares need looking at and potentially children paying. To me I do not understand the reason why they can't, more revenue would come into the network & more investment would go out. As someone who is pro investment into the network, getting children to pay outside of school hours and perhaps looking at hours for pensioners to pay is a good idea.
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Post by ronnie on Feb 10, 2022 21:26:23 GMT
Why can't they divert the N86 to Hornchurch or Upminster? No night buses there and it could be useful for residents I've no clue. Every New Year's the 248 operates throughout the night, and usually it runs on a ~25 min frequency; which suggests demand may be more than in other suburban areas. All I know is if the 145N is removed, the residents of Dagenham have a stick to beat the Son of a Bus Driver with. Covid or not, it seems utterly foolish for TfL to remove a well used night link because it didn't hit their projected forecasts. It's not running at a loss, why touch the 145N? And just to say that the 365 does serve Abbs Cross, which is technically in the Hornchurch ward and therefore does have some sort of [meagre] night service. The son of a bus driver wants to make sure there are no more sons-of-bus-drivers by decimating buses forever Also read somewhere (unverified) that the dad drove buses for only a year rather than an extended career so sounds like a politician’s gimmick
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Post by WH241 on Feb 10, 2022 22:09:42 GMT
I thought the majority of bus routes in London run at a loss in terms of percentage of running costs recovered by fares used on the route. Probably a reason why fares need looking at and potentially children paying. To me I do not understand the reason why they can't, more revenue would come into the network & more investment would go out. As someone who is pro investment into the network, getting children to pay outside of school hours and perhaps looking at hours for pensioners to pay is a good idea. I wonder if maybe night routes should charge a small extra premium fare? But probably not practical with daily fare and weekly caps.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 10, 2022 23:07:23 GMT
Probably a reason why fares need looking at and potentially children paying. To me I do not understand the reason why they can't, more revenue would come into the network & more investment would go out. As someone who is pro investment into the network, getting children to pay outside of school hours and perhaps looking at hours for pensioners to pay is a good idea. I wonder if maybe night routes should charge a small extra premium fare? But probably not practical with daily fare and weekly caps. Night buses used to charge a premium fare until around 2001 IIRC I cannot see it going down well when many of the suburban night routes like N145 hardly carry anyone.
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