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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 16:58:00 GMT
I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. I can see the use, not just shopping but to for employment and also family and friends. This is the type of trip that people in this neck of the woods do by car or not do at all. For shopping, locals will travel to places like Bluewater, Bromley, Charlton or Bexleyheath. It would open up doors for employment for sure. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2022 16:58:52 GMT
What's the point of an express route between West Croydon & Beckenham Junction when the tram exists and is quick in it's own right? Personally, I feel the OP's idea is on the right track, just maybe move away from Woolwich and head towards Bluewater instead but it at least was thinking along good lines No, I meant the route running between Beckenham Junction and Woolwich. Does the 54 really need an express route though that simply unblocking the congestion on the route couldn't solve? |
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Post by cl54 on Mar 23, 2022 17:30:35 GMT
I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. I can see the use, not just shopping but to for employment and also family and friends. This is the type of trip that people in this neck of the woods do by car or not do at all. For shopping, locals will travel to places like Bluewater, Bromley, Charlton or Bexleyheath. The move to residential in Croydon means workers are more likely to live locally. Getting to work by a relatively long bus route will never bereliable. |
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Post by abellion on Mar 23, 2022 17:43:56 GMT
X406 Beckton-Brent Cross DD and X407 Brent cross to Richmond DD coming off at the fly unders/overs with new bus priority measures and bus stops would make travelling from the parts of South/East to North London a lot easier , and some new express routes along all the major trunk roads , A40/M40 Marylebone out to Uxbridge , A13 from Aldgate to Rainham or even Lakeside (get the Essex punters for some increased revenue imagine a £1.65 fare from Thurrock to Aldgate or even a slightly enhanced fare for out of London ) same for the A12 from Brentwood to Canary Wharf , the A2 from Dartford right into Elephant so on and so forth Yes these routes mirror train lines to a degree and would be plagued with traffic at the start but if you want people to come out of cars and on to buses etc surely having routes that go the same way as the major roads would help and if you had bus lanes and priority measures etc these would be faster than driving in a lot of cases plus lots of revenue from the "Green belt" commuters ? Maybe but I think sitting on a bus from Brent to Richmond or Dartford to Elephant is just too unappealing to large crowds when rail links are so much faster. Canary Wharf to Brentford or Marylebone to Uxbridge sound like journeys that are far more convenient using rail links rather than sitting on a bus for over an hour with traffic risks. I think it would make more sense to have express routes that parallel busy routes or link places that could do with a link (e.g. a better SE-SW route) |
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Post by someone on Mar 23, 2022 17:59:28 GMT
No, I meant the route running between Beckenham Junction and Woolwich. Does the 54 really need an express route though that simply unblocking the congestion on the route couldn't solve? OK fair point. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 23, 2022 18:59:47 GMT
X406 Beckton-Brent Cross DD and X407 Brent cross to Richmond DD coming off at the fly unders/overs with new bus priority measures and bus stops would make travelling from the parts of South/East to North London a lot easier , and some new express routes along all the major trunk roads , A40/M40 Marylebone out to Uxbridge , A13 from Aldgate to Rainham or even Lakeside (get the Essex punters for some increased revenue imagine a £1.65 fare from Thurrock to Aldgate or even a slightly enhanced fare for out of London ) same for the A12 from Brentwood to Canary Wharf , the A2 from Dartford right into Elephant so on and so forth Yes these routes mirror train lines to a degree and would be plagued with traffic at the start but if you want people to come out of cars and on to buses etc surely having routes that go the same way as the major roads would help and if you had bus lanes and priority measures etc these would be faster than driving in a lot of cases plus lots of revenue from the "Green belt" commuters ? Maybe but I think sitting on a bus from Brent to Richmond or Dartford to Elephant is just too unappealing to large crowds when rail links are so much faster. Canary Wharf to Brentford or Marylebone to Uxbridge sound like journeys that are far more convenient using rail links rather than sitting on a bus for over an hour with traffic risks. I think it would make more sense to have express routes that parallel busy routes or link places that could do with a link (e.g. a better SE-SW route) Or drive. Even as a bus enthusiast if I am with family they would Be royally annoyed if u tried doing Canary Wharf to Richmond on the bus!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 19:15:41 GMT
Maybe but I think sitting on a bus from Brent to Richmond or Dartford to Elephant is just too unappealing to large crowds when rail links are so much faster. Canary Wharf to Brentford or Marylebone to Uxbridge sound like journeys that are far more convenient using rail links rather than sitting on a bus for over an hour with traffic risks. I think it would make more sense to have express routes that parallel busy routes or link places that could do with a link (e.g. a better SE-SW route) Or drive. Even as a bus enthusiast if I am with family they would Be royally annoyed if u tried doing Canary Wharf to Richmond on the bus!!!! Yeah that seems like the sort of bus journey you would only do if you were really on a tight budget and couldn’t justify the tube/train fair. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Mar 23, 2022 19:27:59 GMT
Maybe but I think sitting on a bus from Brent to Richmond or Dartford to Elephant is just too unappealing to large crowds when rail links are so much faster. Canary Wharf to Brentford or Marylebone to Uxbridge sound like journeys that are far more convenient using rail links rather than sitting on a bus for over an hour with traffic risks. I think it would make more sense to have express routes that parallel busy routes or link places that could do with a link (e.g. a better SE-SW route) Or drive. Even as a bus enthusiast if I am with family they would Be royally annoyed if u tried doing Canary Wharf to Richmond on the bus!!!! Think I've done something like that before and it took me years! |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2022 20:24:33 GMT
You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. Quickest way train via London Bridge? |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2022 20:34:53 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. If London had the same transport policies and investment as Paris, orbital links like this (and many of the other suburban ideas in this thread) would be provided by trams. Yes great progress made in Paris over the last 30 years, all we get is Tramlink. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2022 21:12:21 GMT
I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. Quickest way train via London Bridge? Ignoring the fact it’s likely much more expensive via a London mainline terminal & certainly more compared to a bus - some people opt for the cheaper route rather than the quickest. And if he was going from Sidcup to Croydon on a train, surely he would switch at Lewisham, jump on a train a few stops to Peckham Rye and then change onto a Caterham bound service? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 4:40:07 GMT
I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. Quickest way train via London Bridge? It’s a lot cheaper to get the 269 & 119, and more pleasant than going all the way to Central London and back out again as well especially during the rush hours. There’s not much in it time wise as well, and I’ve saved money and not been squeezed in like a baked bean on 2 sweaty trains. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 24, 2022 5:56:28 GMT
Quickest way train via London Bridge? It’s a lot cheaper to get the 269 & 119, and more pleasant than going all the way to Central London and back out again as well especially during the rush hours. There’s not much in it time wise as well, and I’ve saved money and not been squeezed in like a baked bean on 2 sweaty trains. Yes obviously a bus will be cheaper but such is the lack of orbital rail links it is often quicker via Central London. The other option would be Lewisham, although obviously not all Sidcup trains call there, and mid Kent line to Elmers End for Tramlink although again not all Hayes trains call at Lewisham. In the long term I think reinstating the eastern end of the 726 might be a viable option but I suspect it would only go to Beckenham Junction to connect with Tramlink, we can probably only dream about Tramlink being extended. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 13:59:06 GMT
It’s a lot cheaper to get the 269 & 119, and more pleasant than going all the way to Central London and back out again as well especially during the rush hours. There’s not much in it time wise as well, and I’ve saved money and not been squeezed in like a baked bean on 2 sweaty trains. Yes obviously a bus will be cheaper but such is the lack of orbital rail links it is often quicker via Central London. The other option would be Lewisham, although obviously not all Sidcup trains call there, and mid Kent line to Elmers End for Tramlink although again not all Hayes trains call at Lewisham. In the long term I think reinstating the eastern end of the 726 might be a viable option but I suspect it would only go to Beckenham Junction to connect with Tramlink, we can probably only dream about Tramlink being extended. In a better world the Trams were extended from Beckenham Junction to Bromley North years ago, and then again to Bexleyheath via Chislehurst & Sidcup and to Woolwich via Grove Park and Eltham. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 24, 2022 15:03:13 GMT
Yes obviously a bus will be cheaper but such is the lack of orbital rail links it is often quicker via Central London. The other option would be Lewisham, although obviously not all Sidcup trains call there, and mid Kent line to Elmers End for Tramlink although again not all Hayes trains call at Lewisham. In the long term I think reinstating the eastern end of the 726 might be a viable option but I suspect it would only go to Beckenham Junction to connect with Tramlink, we can probably only dream about Tramlink being extended. In a better world the Trams were extended from Beckenham Junction to Bromley North years ago, and then again to Bexleyheath via Chislehurst & Sidcup and to Woolwich via Grove Park and Eltham. In the 22 years since Tramlink opened, the only expansion has been a dozen extra trams, a new station at Centrale and a second platform at Wimbledon. Contrast to Paris which has extended the two lines which were already in existence in 2000, opened nine more including one tram-train line operated by SNCF, and has two more tram-train routes under construction and a further tram line planned. There is also a bus rapid transit line, TVM (Trans Val-de-Marne) which although not a tram is numbered in the T-prefix tram series. Further BRT lines are proposed. A few express buses down the Old Kent Road doesn't even begin to come close. |
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