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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 12:09:45 GMT
Agreed , I really do hope the government wake up and fund TFL as if it’s is public service as opposed to a business, the lesiure market is booming and a weekend X68 if marketed correctly could be a success. Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. Outside of government funding marketing of services need improvement , with the simplification of bus blinds (with only showing destination and not via points) knowledge on where buses go are not easily understood, yes there are spider maps available but in reality none reads that (unless you are lost) and in the age where we had via points , areas where a bus passed likely slipped into peoples subconscious. Overall TFL need to to take a page out of the London Transaports book where they effectively advertised destinations and the mode of transport with served them. Bus usage in the long term is likely to increase where knowledge and marketing of a buses route through posters e.g in Clapham where it could be advertised ‘ get the 345 for the museums’ . Not to mention deals could made with attractions to help find that marketing (museums not being the best example) but similar to the IKEA one prehaps, although arguably IKEA again is not the best example |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 12:10:33 GMT
Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail. I read a stat elsewhere yesterday, no idea how accurate it is, that buses in London receive a subsidy of £15 per head in London and just 15 pence per head outside of London. How can the government justify even more subsidy in the capital? Indeed, some villages in other parts of the country have lost their entire bus service yet we've got people on here complaining that they might have to change bus (at no extra cost) to get somewhere for £1.65! |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 12:12:04 GMT
I read a stat elsewhere yesterday, no idea how accurate it is, that buses in London receive a subsidy of £15 per head in London and just 15 pence per head outside of London. How can the government justify even more subsidy in the capital? Indeed, some villages in other parts of the country have lost their entire bus service yet we've got people on here complaining that they might have to change bus (at no extra cost) to get somewhere for £1.65! The topic of the matter at hand is London, whilst investment in services is required there also it does not need to happen at the expense of London, not to mention the higher car ownership rates outside London |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 12:16:27 GMT
Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. Outside of government funding marketing of services need improvement , with the simplification of bus blinds (with only showing destination and not via points) knowledge on where buses go are not easily understood, yes there are spider maps available but in reality none reads that (unless you are lost) and in the age where we had via points , areas where a bus passed likely slipped into peoples subconscious. Overall TFL need to to take a page out of the London Transaports book where they effectively advertised destinations and the mode of transport with served them. Bus usage in the long term is likely to increase where knowledge and marketing of a buses route through posters e.g in Clapham where it could be advertised ‘ get the 345 for the museums’ . Not to mention deals could made with attractions to help find that marketing (museums not being the best example) but similar to the IKEA one prehaps, although arguably IKEA again is not the best example I think TfL would rather people got the tube from Clapham to the museums. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 6, 2022 12:18:16 GMT
I read a stat elsewhere yesterday, no idea how accurate it is, that buses in London receive a subsidy of £15 per head in London and just 15 pence per head outside of London. How can the government justify even more subsidy in the capital? Indeed, some villages in other parts of the country have lost their entire bus service yet we've got people on here complaining that they might have to change bus (at no extra cost) to get somewhere for £1.65! Some people have difficulties in changing buses…. I’ve already been hearing stories on how these changes will effect disabled people, and I think the hopper fare has been used to cut and chop bus routes. |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 12:19:54 GMT
Outside of government funding marketing of services need improvement , with the simplification of bus blinds (with only showing destination and not via points) knowledge on where buses go are not easily understood, yes there are spider maps available but in reality none reads that (unless you are lost) and in the age where we had via points , areas where a bus passed likely slipped into peoples subconscious. Overall TFL need to to take a page out of the London Transaports book where they effectively advertised destinations and the mode of transport with served them. Bus usage in the long term is likely to increase where knowledge and marketing of a buses route through posters e.g in Clapham where it could be advertised ‘ get the 345 for the museums’ . Not to mention deals could made with attractions to help find that marketing (museums not being the best example) but similar to the IKEA one prehaps, although arguably IKEA again is not the best example I think TfL would rather people got the tube from Clapham to the museums. With the changes required between Clapham (nothern line) and south Ken the 345 provides a competitive journey time |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 12:24:22 GMT
Indeed, some villages in other parts of the country have lost their entire bus service yet we've got people on here complaining that they might have to change bus (at no extra cost) to get somewhere for £1.65! Some people have difficulties in changing buses…. I’ve already been hearing stories on how these changes will effect disabled people, and I think the hopper fare has been used to cut and chop bus routes. I don't doubt that but obviously life isn't perfect and never will be, reality is that if people want door to door travel then uber is their friend. People have been calling for hopper fare for years and most capital cities have something similar. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 6, 2022 12:27:12 GMT
Some people have difficulties in changing buses…. I’ve already been hearing stories on how these changes will effect disabled people, and I think the hopper fare has been used to cut and chop bus routes. I don't doubt that but obviously life isn't perfect and never will be, reality is that if people want door to door travel then uber is their friend. People have been calling for hopper fare for years and most capital cities have something similar. Maybe so but it’s being used as a justification to get people to change routes which is making journeys harder, this can’t be ignored |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2022 12:45:20 GMT
Indeed, some villages in other parts of the country have lost their entire bus service yet we've got people on here complaining that they might have to change bus (at no extra cost) to get somewhere for £1.65! Some people have difficulties in changing buses…. I’ve already been hearing stories on how these changes will effect disabled people, and I think the hopper fare has been used to cut and chop bus routes. Can I ask how a person that can get to a bus stop, get on a bus, get off a bus and then get to their destination, has so much trouble getting on or off a second bus? Please bear in mind they would almost definitely have to get across roads in ar least one of the outward or return journies. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 6, 2022 12:55:42 GMT
Some people have difficulties in changing buses…. I’ve already been hearing stories on how these changes will effect disabled people, and I think the hopper fare has been used to cut and chop bus routes. Can I ask how a person that can get to a bus stop, get on a bus, get off a bus and then get to their destination, has so much trouble getting on or off a second bus? Please bear in mind they would almost definitely have to get across roads in ar least one of the outward or return journies. If they are disabled or infirm it’s bound to be more difficult than for someone who is more able bodied, for some it’s a struggle to get to the bus stop, I shouldn’t have to make this obvious. |
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Post by WH241 on Jun 6, 2022 12:57:07 GMT
Outside of government funding marketing of services need improvement , with the simplification of bus blinds (with only showing destination and not via points) knowledge on where buses go are not easily understood, yes there are spider maps available but in reality none reads that (unless you are lost) and in the age where we had via points , areas where a bus passed likely slipped into peoples subconscious. Overall TFL need to to take a page out of the London Transaports book where they effectively advertised destinations and the mode of transport with served them. Bus usage in the long term is likely to increase where knowledge and marketing of a buses route through posters e.g in Clapham where it could be advertised ‘ get the 345 for the museums’ . Not to mention deals could made with attractions to help find that marketing (museums not being the best example) but similar to the IKEA one prehaps, although arguably IKEA again is not the best example I think TfL would rather people got the tube from Clapham to the museums. You keep suggesting this for every cut link! Do you appreciate just how much more the tube and trains cost? We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and people need to spend money on more important things. The tube doesn’t have unlimited capacity! |
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Post by route53 on Jun 6, 2022 13:04:06 GMT
I think TfL would rather people got the tube from Clapham to the museums. You keep suggesting this for every cut link! Do you appreciate just how much more the tube and trains cost? We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and people need to spend money on more important things. The tube doesn’t have unlimited capacity! I don’t understand this idea that people can just simply switch to the tube, the tube is not much use if you live in Dulwich or Nunhead… |
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Post by WH241 on Jun 6, 2022 13:07:10 GMT
Agreed , I really do hope the government wake up and fund TFL as if it’s is public service as opposed to a business, the lesiure market is booming and a weekend X68 if marketed correctly could be a success. Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. I can’t speak for everyone but pretty sure most people have caught up from Lockdown now. What TfL should be thinking about is the tourist trade and how all these cuts will affect them! The 15 used to get rammed let alone now with the frequency cut and no 15h. |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 13:11:28 GMT
Can I ask how a person that can get to a bus stop, get on a bus, get off a bus and then get to their destination, has so much trouble getting on or off a second bus? Please bear in mind they would almost definitely have to get across roads in ar least one of the outward or return journies. If they are disabled or infirm it’s bound to be more difficult than for someone who is more able bodied, for some it’s a struggle to get to the bus stop, I shouldn’t have to make this obvious. Not to mention that changing in congested town centres such as Brixton is more of a struggle in comparison to their local bus stop more likely. Not to mention buggy users , those with lugagge etc, inconvenient changes for links that have existed for years is not something the public schools stand for. Another thing being overlooked is the considerably longer journey for example upon arrival at brxton for the 35/345 instead of the 45 from Brixton Hill passengers may find that their connecting bus has just left resulting in additional 6-9 minute wait, inconvenient in the peak where every minute counts |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2022 13:27:51 GMT
Can I ask how a person that can get to a bus stop, get on a bus, get off a bus and then get to their destination, has so much trouble getting on or off a second bus? Please bear in mind they would almost definitely have to get across roads in ar least one of the outward or return journies. If they are disabled or infirm it’s bound to be more difficult than for someone who is more able bodied, for some it’s a struggle to get to the bus stop, I shouldn’t have to make this obvious. If you are disabled, you have to accept things in life will be harder for you. But if you can use a bus, you can change buses. It has been made harder for all bus users. If people really 'struggle' to get to bus stops, you have to ask is society doing the right thing expecting them to use buses. If you are disabled your PIP should make allowances for travelling needs. |
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