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Post by snowman on Jun 6, 2022 13:28:44 GMT
Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail. I read a stat elsewhere yesterday, no idea how accurate it is, that buses in London receive a subsidy of £15 per head in London and just 15 pence per head outside of London. How can the government justify even more subsidy in the capital? £15 per head is miles out London Buses lost about £750m last year for a London population of about 8m So more like £90 per head per year |
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Post by busman on Jun 6, 2022 13:29:07 GMT
Agreed , I really do hope the government wake up and fund TFL as if it’s is public service as opposed to a business, the lesiure market is booming and a weekend X68 if marketed correctly could be a success. Tbh TFL have had 30+ plus years to increase the X68. Whislt I think like with the X26 they dare not touch it, its highly unlikely to see any major improvement. Dare not touch it? I think everything is fair game for TfL right now. If the express services are not being well used and alternatives are available then nothing is out of the question for removal. A weekend X68 or expanded operating hours during the week seems to go against the grain of falling passenger numbers in central London. I would like to see more orbital express routes in outer London, particularly if the MoL is looking to further expand ULEZ and no doubt also looking to expand other road charges into greater London. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2022 13:36:16 GMT
I read a stat elsewhere yesterday, no idea how accurate it is, that buses in London receive a subsidy of £15 per head in London and just 15 pence per head outside of London. How can the government justify even more subsidy in the capital? £15 per head is miles out London Buses lost about £750m last year for a London population of about 8m So more like £90 per head per year Think these were pre COVID figures ... but was quoted on twitter ... so could easily be fabrication ... lots of stuff quoted on there is fabrication or manipulation. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 13:47:15 GMT
You keep suggesting this for every cut link! Do you appreciate just how much more the tube and trains cost? We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and people need to spend money on more important things. The tube doesn’t have unlimited capacity! I don’t understand this idea that people can just simply switch to the tube, the tube is not much use if you live in Dulwich or Nunhead… Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. |
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Post by WH241 on Jun 6, 2022 13:54:04 GMT
I don’t understand this idea that people can just simply switch to the tube, the tube is not much use if you live in Dulwich or Nunhead… Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. Greenboy you need to understand me replying on topic is not trolling!! What is trolling is use constantly referring to me by my personal name which I don’t use here! Sorry but you are just acting like immature child. Why don’t you challenge others who disagree with your posts? You see me as easy target. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 13:55:52 GMT
Tbh TFL have had 30+ plus years to increase the X68. Whislt I think like with the X26 they dare not touch it, its highly unlikely to see any major improvement. Dare not touch it? I think everything is fair game for TfL right now. If the express services are not being well used and alternatives are available then nothing is out of the question for removal. A weekend X68 or expanded operating hours during the week seems to go against the grain of falling passenger numbers in central London. I would like to see more orbital express routes in outer London, particularly if the MoL is looking to further expand ULEZ and no doubt also looking to expand other road charges into greater London. Absolutely, nothing is off the table at the moment including the X26. I'm sure a lot of people like Croydon to Heathrow for £1.65 but........... |
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Post by route53 on Jun 6, 2022 14:16:48 GMT
I don’t understand this idea that people can just simply switch to the tube, the tube is not much use if you live in Dulwich or Nunhead… Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. The difference being is that the 12 is a direct route to Oxford Street, where as the route you suggested takes one change and could be subject to delays or cancellations. TfL needs to accept that not everyone wants to use the tube, today there is a tube strike, so in times like this the bus is very handy. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 6, 2022 14:56:40 GMT
Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. The difference being is that the 12 is a direct route to Oxford Street, where as the route you suggested takes one change and could be subject to delays or cancellations. TfL needs to accept that not everyone wants to use the tube, today there is a tube strike, so in times like this the bus is very handy. I do think the 12 thou was killed with constant diversions and cutbacks to Piccadilly and Whitehall during roadworks. |
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Post by intro on Jun 6, 2022 15:18:06 GMT
Agreed , I really do hope the government wake up and fund TFL as if it’s is public service as opposed to a business, the lesiure market is booming and a weekend X68 if marketed correctly could be a success. Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. Upper Norwood has a great rail service from Norwood Junction which has 4tph that run fast to London Bridge, and a 4tph Overground service, and 2tph to London Bridge and Victoria. Resulting in 16tph, which I wouldn’t call poorly served, although it would be nice to get the X68 to Central London on a Saturday. A Sunday service would arguably be a waste of resources. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 15:38:17 GMT
Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. Upper Norwood has a great rail service from Norwood Junction which has 4tph that run fast to London Bridge, and a 4tph Overground service, and 2tph to London Bridge and Victoria. Resulting in 16tph, which I wouldn’t call poorly served, although it would be nice to get the X68 to Central London on a Saturday. A Sunday service would arguably be a waste of resources. Very true about Norwood Junction but it's a bit of a trek from Upper Norwood and it's going in the wrong direction for Central London, I'd be more inclined to go to West Norwood. The weekend X68 is I think something to consider in the long term? |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 16:12:33 GMT
Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. The difference being is that the 12 is a direct route to Oxford Street, where as the route you suggested takes one change and could be subject to delays or cancellations. TfL needs to accept that not everyone wants to use the tube, today there is a tube strike, so in times like this the bus is very handy. As much as TFL hate it, days like today show parallel routes need to exist. |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 16:13:39 GMT
Quite honestly I think some people on here need to wake up and realise that the government are not going to throw public money at TfL and neither would any other government. Yes the leisure market is booming at the moment but how long for? Will it drop off when people have caught up with things that they didn't do during lockdown? Obviously nobody knows. But as I said before a weekend X68 is a possibility with Upper Norwood poorly served by rail but I'd put it no stronger than that at the moment. Upper Norwood has a great rail service from Norwood Junction which has 4tph that run fast to London Bridge, and a 4tph Overground service, and 2tph to London Bridge and Victoria. Resulting in 16tph, which I wouldn’t call poorly served, although it would be nice to get the X68 to Central London on a Saturday. A Sunday service would arguably be a waste of resources. Whilst that is true London Bridge is mainly for those heading towards the city , some commuters head for the west end aswell |
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 16:14:55 GMT
Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. The difference being is that the 12 is a direct route to Oxford Street, where as the route you suggested takes one change and could be subject to delays or cancellations. TfL needs to accept that not everyone wants to use the tube, today there is a tube strike, so in times like this the bus is very handy. Honestly, some people would prefer a direct bus which takes them near enough to their door step as opposed to taking multiple trains with long transfer times. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2022 16:16:40 GMT
Upper Norwood has a great rail service from Norwood Junction which has 4tph that run fast to London Bridge, and a 4tph Overground service, and 2tph to London Bridge and Victoria. Resulting in 16tph, which I wouldn’t call poorly served, although it would be nice to get the X68 to Central London on a Saturday. A Sunday service would arguably be a waste of resources. Whilst that is true London Bridge is mainly for those heading towards the city , some commuters head for the west end aswell And you would never guess, 2 more stops from London Bridge is Charing Cross right in the heart of the West End ... and it is a tube style service between the 2 stations |
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Post by RM5chris on Jun 6, 2022 18:57:55 GMT
I don’t understand this idea that people can just simply switch to the tube, the tube is not much use if you live in Dulwich or Nunhead… Oh dear is Dan still trolling? Just to clarify it's obviously not me wanting people to get the tube instead of a bus, it's what TfL want and understandably so. They're not going to fund more bus services when there's an under utilised tube network sat there. Surely this is obvious? And from Peckham Rye LO to Whitechapel and Crossrail will get you to Oxford Street quicker than the 12. MODS MESSAGE Yet another complaint has been made to the Mod Team about you and your comments/behaviour (and no it was not from WH241 before you go there).... I appreciate you and another member will never get on - I suggest you simply ignore or not comment on his posts...I would also suggest WH241 does the same. If complaints continue we will consider a 30 day ban and then a permanent...(I am sure you will be back and the cycle will start again). The Forum is being spoilt by your constant bickering. This is not open for further discussion. Kind regards RM5Chris
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