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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2022 13:49:02 GMT
Most likely two reasons: The current express routes and the 607 are either run over corridors with substantial sections without traffic congestion and/or provide niches that other routes don’t such as the X26 providing links from a number of places to Heathrow, X68 connecting Upper Norwood to Central London & X140 doing a similar role to the X26 but from North West London. Three of the proposed routes already have alternative links to Central London (Elizabeth Line for X86, Greater Anglia & Overground for X149 & Thameslink for X32). I’d imagine all four corridors have traffic congestion issues that would need bus priority installed though that’s not always a given and most certainly, few have a substantial section of wide dual carriageway roads like the 607 either. In relation to the X109, it’s pretty short for an express route but my concerns would be is the 109 going to remain with its frequency and any X109 be an extra supplement or will the 109 be reduced in frequency for this express route and how frequent will the X109 be The only substantial sections i see on 607 is from Uxbridge to Hayes by-Pass and that little section from Southall to Hanwell, but those sections combine are less than half the length of 607. I got on 207 the other day from White City and Uxbridge Road was pretty congested. Not even one 607 passed us untill we got to Hayes by-Pass with two 607s running together. That section is still larger than most other corridors in London - it's still very much doable for a 607 to only take an hour and a little bit end to end even during the day, just depends on all sorts but more bus priority would help bring that down |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 22, 2022 14:02:16 GMT
There is no point running such a route on the South Circular where a number of sections have congestion issues and even implementing bus priority would be limited as the South Circular from St Mildred’s Road to Kew is mostly single lane roads My limited knowledge of North London leads me to think that your X406 might possibly be a goer with very limited stops, but unsure about whether it would actually serve that many population centres that well. The X205 is not a goer at all I’m afraid, COBO , in my opinion. Too much congestion for a route of that length. But I do like your choice of road number based route numbers! You will probably need a driver change in the middle of the route If anyone does it end to end May need to have toilet facilities! |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 22, 2022 14:03:02 GMT
Serious question and please forgive me if it's already been answered elsewhere: Take the 607 - whether you refer to it as 'Limited Stop' or 'Express' the basic proposition to the passenger is a faster way to travel along the Uxbridge Road. So why are there not similar 'solutions' along major London road arteries such as: X32 (Marble Arch - Edgware) X86 (Aldgate - Romford) X109 (Croydon - Brixton) X149 (Shoreditch - Waltham Cross) The X32 already exists in the form of the 113. Although not for long if our friends at tfl have their way |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 22, 2022 14:06:49 GMT
The only substantial sections i see on 607 is from Uxbridge to Hayes by-Pass and that little section from Southall to Hanwell, but those sections combine are less than half the length of 607. I got on 207 the other day from White City and Uxbridge Road was pretty congested. Not even one 607 passed us untill we got to Hayes by-Pass with two 607s running together. That section is still larger than most other corridors in London - it's still very much doable for a 607 to only take an hour and a little bit end to end even during the day, just depends on all sorts but more bus priority would help bring that down Yes iv done it in 1h and 5 mins with reasonable traffic, which when you think Uxbridge really is on the edge of London and Shepherds Bush is within touching distance of zone 1 that is pretty impressive. |
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 18:56:19 GMT
It would be nice if TfL increased the frequency on the X68, its often full and standing in the morning and the evening, so maybe giving it an increase to every 10 mins at some times would be a good help, I don't use the X26 frequently myself, but from my limited experience with it, and some comments on the forum, I reckon it could also benefit with a more frequent service during the peak. On the topic of new express routes, any new ones that we may see, should probably have an X68 style peak-only service, since that is when express services are most helpful.
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Post by COBO on Sept 22, 2022 19:11:20 GMT
X73 running between Angel Road Superstores and Victoria via route 341 to Tottenham High Street, 476 to King’s Cross, 73 to Tottenham Court Road and 38 to Victoria. To assist the 73 and 38. Been struggling with this one does it go all the way to Victoria to reconnect missing links and to assist the 73 when the 476 is removed or stop it at Euston to avoid the congestion in Central London)
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 19:23:42 GMT
X73 running between Angel Road Superstores and Victoria via route 341 to Tottenham High Street, 476 to King’s Cross, 73 to Tottenham Court Road and 38 to Victoria. To assist the 73 and 38. I'm not really familiar with the Angel road Superstores - King's Cross section, but considering how slow it would be, I would think it to be better to carry on the route after Tottenham Court Road, to go to Trafalgar Square, as most people would probably be going to Chinatown, Oxford Street, or Trafalgar Square, and those traveling to Victoria or Hyde Park Corner could take 38 or 24 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 22, 2022 19:24:01 GMT
It would be nice if TfL increased the frequency on the X68, its often full and standing in the morning and the evening, so maybe giving it an increase to every 10 mins at some times would be a good help, I don't use the X26 frequently myself, but from my limited experience with it, and some comments on the forum, I reckon it could also benefit with a more frequent service during the peak. On the topic of new express routes, any new ones that we may see, should probably have an X68 style peak-only service, since that is when express services are most helpful. It can take less then an hour to get from Russell Square/Holborn/Aldwych to Upper Norwood so can understand people quite happy to spend an hour getting to work for only £1.65. If your happy with say 1h.15 mins you can commute from let's say Holborn to West Croydon for £3.30 there and back. |
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 19:48:53 GMT
It would be nice if TfL increased the frequency on the X68, its often full and standing in the morning and the evening, so maybe giving it an increase to every 10 mins at some times would be a good help, I don't use the X26 frequently myself, but from my limited experience with it, and some comments on the forum, I reckon it could also benefit with a more frequent service during the peak. On the topic of new express routes, any new ones that we may see, should probably have an X68 style peak-only service, since that is when express services are most helpful. It can take less then an hour to get from Russell Square/Holborn/Aldwych to Upper Norwood so can understand people quite happy to spend an hour getting to work for only £1.65. If you're happy with say 1h.15 mins you can commute from let's say Holborn to West Croydon for £3.30 there and back. I am one of those people who takes the X68 over the train, it is certainly much better than paying the extremely high peak fares to get to zone one, it would be great if other places in tube-deprived South London had a similar bus route. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 22, 2022 19:53:10 GMT
It would be nice if TfL increased the frequency on the X68, its often full and standing in the morning and the evening, so maybe giving it an increase to every 10 mins at some times would be a good help, I don't use the X26 frequently myself, but from my limited experience with it, and some comments on the forum, I reckon it could also benefit with a more frequent service during the peak. On the topic of new express routes, any new ones that we may see, should probably have an X68 style peak-only service, since that is when express services are most helpful. Would there be any demand to even make the X68 run outside of the peaks as well, and in both directions? Plus with some extra stops added between Norwood and Waterloo |
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 19:54:30 GMT
It would be nice if TfL increased the frequency on the X68, its often full and standing in the morning and the evening, so maybe giving it an increase to every 10 mins at some times would be a good help, I don't use the X26 frequently myself, but from my limited experience with it, and some comments on the forum, I reckon it could also benefit with a more frequent service during the peak. On the topic of new express routes, any new ones that we may see, should probably have an X68 style peak-only service, since that is when express services are most helpful. Would there be any demand to even make the X68 run outside of the peaks as well, and in both directions? Plus with some extra stops added between Norwood and Waterloo I reckon it would be well used on the weekend, perhaps with an extra stop in Brixton and a fifteen minute service from 10-3 northbound and 5-8 southbound with a couple of northbound services in the late evening, and as for both directions, maybe you could have that on the weekend, but it wouldn't be used well enough in the week, except for Friday evening. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 22, 2022 20:29:13 GMT
It can take less then an hour to get from Russell Square/Holborn/Aldwych to Upper Norwood so can understand people quite happy to spend an hour getting to work for only £1.65. If you're happy with say 1h.15 mins you can commute from let's say Holborn to West Croydon for £3.30 there and back. I am one of those people who takes the X68 over the train, it is certainly much better than paying the extremely high peak fares to get to zone one, it would be great if other places in tube-deprived South London had a similar bus route. Agree and I reckon an X53 type route from say woolwich to South Kensington or so would work well (selfishly I can do almost end to end for office!) So can start from the 54’s stand - 53 LOR till elephant and castle - the old 53 route till St Thomas - 507 route to Victoria with scope to extend through 11 LOR to Sloane Square - Sloane street - pont street - Brompton road and stand in front of the museums So |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 22, 2022 20:42:24 GMT
I am one of those people who takes the X68 over the train, it is certainly much better than paying the extremely high peak fares to get to zone one, it would be great if other places in tube-deprived South London had a similar bus route. Agree and I reckon an X53 type route from say woolwich to South Kensington or so would work well (selfishly I can do almost end to end for office!) So can start from the 54’s stand - 53 LOR till elephant and castle - the old 53 route till St Thomas - 507 route to Victoria with scope to extend through 11 LOR to Sloane Square - Sloane street - pont street - Brompton road and stand in front of the museums So Whislt to S Kensington would be a bit ambitious, I still think the most likely new X route will involve the 53 to provide a new service down the Old Kent Road as TFL suggested. My guess would be a limited stop version alongside the 53 maybe starting at TSQ then run to PD not via Plumstead Common. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2022 21:28:30 GMT
Would there be any demand to even make the X68 run outside of the peaks as well, and in both directions? Plus with some extra stops added between Norwood and Waterloo I reckon it would be well used on the weekend, perhaps with an extra stop in Brixton and a fifteen minute service from 10-3 northbound and 5-8 southbound with a couple of northbound services in the late evening, and as for both directions, maybe you could have that on the weekend, but it wouldn't be used well enough in the week, except for Friday evening. I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is |
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 21:54:27 GMT
I reckon it would be well used on the weekend, perhaps with an extra stop in Brixton and a fifteen minute service from 10-3 northbound and 5-8 southbound with a couple of northbound services in the late evening, and as for both directions, maybe you could have that on the weekend, but it wouldn't be used well enough in the week, except for Friday evening. I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Whilst extra stops or weekends may be ambitious a frequency increase is certainly needed, it is always full between Waterloo and West Norwood, it would definitely benefit from an every 10 min service from perhaps 0630-0730 and 1640-1800, even if it were extra journeys between West Croydon and Waterloo in the morning, and Russell Square and West Norwood in the evening. |
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