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Post by intro on Nov 26, 2022 22:46:40 GMT
It would be nice to see more commuting express routes like the X68 taking pressure off of the tube and trains when most are travelling. What train services are under pressure? There's been a lot of peak hour reductions post pandemic. Under pressure from a passenger point of view, when you are crushed in / you have to wait for the next train. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 27, 2022 6:35:05 GMT
What train services are under pressure? There's been a lot of peak hour reductions post pandemic. Under pressure from a passenger point of view, when you are crushed in / you have to wait for the next train. Inevitably trains will be crowded at times but people generally accept that for a quicker journey, most commuter coach services have been discontinued post covid and I don't think there is any chance of TfL introducing such services. |
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Post by cc5426 on Dec 6, 2022 12:45:58 GMT
Would the Kingston Bypass offer any potential for this sort of thing?
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 6, 2022 14:38:24 GMT
Would the Kingston Bypass offer any potential for this sort of thing? The 265 serves the eastern side of the bypass. As for the rest, I’m not sure what decent service you could make from it - it bypasses (hah!) most reasonable traffic objectives. I’m not sure what use a Tolworth - Hinchley Wood - Esher service would be. I can certainly think of much better ways to increase the TfL influence in Elmbridge. |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 6, 2022 14:57:44 GMT
Green Line route 715 (Guildford-Oxford Circus-Hertford) operated via the Kingston By-pass originally. Although some Saturday journeys operated via Kingston as route 715A from May 1971 the main route was not rerouted through Kingston until April 1977. The route was later downgraded to operate as a local bus service between Guildford and Kingston only.
There was also a Green Line commuter coach from Guildford Estates to London during the 1980s which used the By-pass, I think it was the 740 from memory.
Apart from National Express, I don't think there have been any scheduled coach services along the By-pass for several years. Perhaps some with-the-flow express journeys on the 265 at peak times might be feasible?
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Post by cc5426 on Dec 6, 2022 16:54:59 GMT
Perhaps some with-the-flow express journeys on the 265 at peak times might be feasible? Or even a further eastward projection of that nearer/into Z1? Be interesting too if Surrey commuter runs turn out to be workable once more; if the 455’s start falling apart before the 701 saga is over, that might influence things! |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 6, 2022 16:59:13 GMT
Perhaps some with-the-flow express journeys on the 265 at peak times might be feasible? Or even a further eastward projection of that into Z1? Be interesting too if Surrey commuter runs turn out to be workable; if the 455’s start falling apart before the 701 saga is over, that might influence things! I don't think there is any mileage in extending the 265 beyond its current terminus at Putney Bridge (too much congestion), but I thought having a few peak-time journeys that skipped lightly-used stops along the By-pass and omitted the run round the Alton Estate could be popular. I don't see much call for services from Surrey even if SWR services are poor - surely those services would already be operating if they were commercially feasible? |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 6, 2022 20:35:43 GMT
I’m not sure what use a Tolworth - Hinchley Wood - Esher service would be. I can certainly think of much better ways to increase the TfL influence in Elmbridge. Tolworth to Hook along the A3 is unnecessary, the K1 and K2, both 6bph, connect the two to the north and south of the A3 respectively. On the Kingston Bypass between Hook and Hampton Court, I propose a route similar to one I have proposed before on other threads: Epsom Kiln Lane Sainsburys, East Street, Epsom High Street, West Street, West Hill, Christ Church Road, Rushett Lane, Leatherhead Road, Hook Road, Hook Junction, A309 Kingston Bypass, Claygate Lane, Manor Road North, A309 Kingston Bypass all the way to Hampton Court, Hampton Court Road, Percy Road, not sure where after. It would not be an express route, but would be quite fast since it would have many sections with very few stops, including Epsom Common to Chessington World of Adventures, Hook Junction to Hinchley Wood, Hinchley Wood to Hampton Court and Hampton Court to Hampton. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Dec 6, 2022 20:53:01 GMT
Would the Kingston Bypass offer any potential for this sort of thing? The 265 serves the eastern side of the bypass. As for the rest, I’m not sure what decent service you could make from it - it bypasses (hah!) most reasonable traffic objectives. I’m not sure what use a Tolworth - Hinchley Wood - Esher service would be. I can certainly think of much better ways to increase the TfL influence in Elmbridge. Back in the day 152 was on Kingston By Pass all the way to Esher |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2022 21:45:13 GMT
I’m not sure what use a Tolworth - Hinchley Wood - Esher service would be. I can certainly think of much better ways to increase the TfL influence in Elmbridge. Tolworth to Hook along the A3 is unnecessary, the K1 and K2, both 6bph, connect the two to the north and south of the A3 respectively. On the Kingston Bypass between Hook and Hampton Court, I propose a route similar to one I have proposed before on other threads: Epsom Kiln Lane Sainsburys, East Street, Epsom High Street, West Street, West Hill, Christ Church Road, Rushett Lane, Leatherhead Road, Hook Road, Hook Junction, A309 Kingston Bypass, Claygate Lane, Manor Road North, A309 Kingston Bypass all the way to Hampton Court, Hampton Court Road, Percy Road, not sure where after. It would not be an express route, but would be quite fast since it would have many sections with very few stops, including Epsom Common to Chessington World of Adventures, Hook Junction to Hinchley Wood, Hinchley Wood to Hampton Court and Hampton Court to Hampton. I don’t see that as a TfL route if I’m honest. It would more likely find its way under SCC as a hourly route. |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 6, 2022 22:03:14 GMT
I don’t see that as a TfL route if I’m honest. It would more likely find its way under SCC as a hourly route. Why? The majority of the route is in Greater London, only a chunk in the middle on the Kingston Bypass and a bit at the Epsom end of the route are not. Most of the places it connects are also in Greater London (Chessington, Hook, Hampton Court, Hampton), and Hinchley Wood is exclusively served by TfL routes. I reckon a service, starting at 2bph SD (can't be DD due to low bridge on West Street in Epsom) would fit the route perfectly to start. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2022 22:06:25 GMT
I don’t see that as a TfL route if I’m honest. It would more likely find its way under SCC as a hourly route. Why? The majority of the route is in Greater London, only a chunk in the middle on the Kingston Bypass and a bit at the Epsom end are not. Most of the places it connects are also in Greater London (Chessington, Hook, Hampton Court, Hampton), and Hinchley Wood is exclusively served by TfL routes. I reckon a service, starting at 2bph SD (can't be DD due to low bridge on West Street in Epsom) would fit the route perfectly to start. It just doesn’t feel very TfL to me even at 2bph. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 7, 2022 10:05:51 GMT
Why? The majority of the route is in Greater London, only a chunk in the middle on the Kingston Bypass and a bit at the Epsom end are not. Most of the places it connects are also in Greater London (Chessington, Hook, Hampton Court, Hampton), and Hinchley Wood is exclusively served by TfL routes. I reckon a service, starting at 2bph SD (can't be DD due to low bridge on West Street in Epsom) would fit the route perfectly to start. It just doesn’t feel very TfL to me even at 2bph. Regular commuter here (I’m actually sitting on the 715 as I type!). I agree - I feel it would be more a Surrey than a TfL service. I think TfL could expand slightly in Elmbridge, but not this way, I’m afraid. Top of my list is a schoolday/time extension of the R68 to the local 6th form college in Thames Ditton, but that’s for another thread. TfL expansion ideas in the shires might make a good little thread. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 7, 2022 10:09:40 GMT
It just doesn’t feel very TfL to me even at 2bph. Regular commuter here (I’m actually sitting on the 715 as I type!). I agree - I feel it would be more a Surrey than a TfL service. I think TfL could expand slightly in Elmbridge, but not this way, I’m afraid. Top of my list is a schoolday/time extension of the R68 to the local 6th form college in Thames Ditton, but that’s for another thread. TfL expansion ideas in the shires might make a good little thread. So extend a route primarily for a group that doesn't pay fares? Can't see that having much a boost to revenue. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 7, 2022 10:42:13 GMT
Regular commuter here (I’m actually sitting on the 715 as I type!). I agree - I feel it would be more a Surrey than a TfL service. I think TfL could expand slightly in Elmbridge, but not this way, I’m afraid. Top of my list is a schoolday/time extension of the R68 to the local 6th form college in Thames Ditton, but that’s for another thread. TfL expansion ideas in the shires might make a good little thread. So extend a route primarily for a group that doesn't pay fares? Can't see that having much a boost to revenue. Use that logic and we’ll get rid of every single school route. Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous statement. |
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