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Post by cl54 on Apr 21, 2022 20:08:34 GMT
I used to use SE Trains via Gravesend, Abbey Wood, Woolwich & Lewisham. Replaced by the rubbish* hourly Thameslink route via Greenwich. There just seems to be inertia when it comes to railways in SE London and also night services. The N1 should be extended to Erith with a Kent CC Fastrack service C from Erith to Darent Valley Hospital via A206 , Bridge Estate, LCY3 , Crossways , Stone, Greenhithe, Bluewater . Fastrack C should be 24/7 ( times to connect with arriving / departing N1’s) , with the N1 having later am trips on Sundays filling a gap of the madness of no very early morning SE trains. * I’m aware full service expected to resume 15th May There is no way that a London night bus will be extended into Kent. The 16:18 Thameslink train this afternoon was busy with all seats occupied and standing passengers. |
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Post by aaron1 on Apr 21, 2022 20:46:53 GMT
The only way that Thamesmead to have a train line if was a extension of the Jubilee Line from North Greenwich as it 1st planned to go that way
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 21:20:04 GMT
I used to use SE Trains via Gravesend, Abbey Wood, Woolwich & Lewisham. Replaced by the rubbish* hourly Thameslink route via Greenwich. There just seems to be inertia when it comes to railways in SE London and also night services. The N1 should be extended to Erith with a Kent CC Fastrack service C from Erith to Darent Valley Hospital via A206 , Bridge Estate, LCY3 , Crossways , Stone, Greenhithe, Bluewater . Fastrack C should be 24/7 ( times to connect with arriving / departing N1’s) , with the N1 having later am trips on Sundays filling a gap of the madness of no very early morning SE trains. * I’m aware full service expected to resume 15th May There is no way that a London night bus will be extended into Kent. The 16:18 Thameslink train this afternoon was busy with all seats occupied and standing passengers. Erith is in London |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2022 21:57:43 GMT
There is no way that a London night bus will be extended into Kent. The 16:18 Thameslink train this afternoon was busy with all seats occupied and standing passengers. Erith is in London I think he thought you wrote that the N1 would extend into Kent rather than Route C starting from Erith which is what you actually said |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 22, 2022 2:49:19 GMT
There is no way that a London night bus will be extended into Kent. The 16:18 Thameslink train this afternoon was busy with all seats occupied and standing passengers. Erith is in London Which is the reason the N89 goes there. |
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Post by route53 on Apr 22, 2022 9:56:47 GMT
I used to use SE Trains via Gravesend, Abbey Wood, Woolwich & Lewisham. Replaced by the rubbish* hourly Thameslink route via Greenwich. There just seems to be inertia when it comes to railways in SE London and also night services. The N1 should be extended to Erith with a Kent CC Fastrack service C from Erith to Darent Valley Hospital via A206 , Bridge Estate, LCY3 , Crossways , Stone, Greenhithe, Bluewater . Fastrack C should be 24/7 ( times to connect with arriving / departing N1’s) , with the N1 having later am trips on Sundays filling a gap of the madness of no very early morning SE trains. * I’m aware full service expected to resume 15th May The much hyped Thameslink service is utterly pointless and slow, I hope to see the back of it and see the return of the semi fast Gillingham trains, it’s barely ran a proper service since it’s inception four years ago, never saw the benefits in the all stopping Thameslink service. |
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Post by route53 on Apr 22, 2022 9:58:30 GMT
The only way that Thamesmead to have a train line if was a extension of the Jubilee Line from North Greenwich as it 1st planned to go that way This was proposed back when CrossRail was still in limbo, with CrossRail opening now I don’t think they’ll ever send the Jubilee to Thamesmead, one of the benefits of CrossRail is to take the load off the Jubilee line |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2022 10:30:39 GMT
I used to use SE Trains via Gravesend, Abbey Wood, Woolwich & Lewisham. Replaced by the rubbish* hourly Thameslink route via Greenwich. There just seems to be inertia when it comes to railways in SE London and also night services. The N1 should be extended to Erith with a Kent CC Fastrack service C from Erith to Darent Valley Hospital via A206 , Bridge Estate, LCY3 , Crossways , Stone, Greenhithe, Bluewater . Fastrack C should be 24/7 ( times to connect with arriving / departing N1’s) , with the N1 having later am trips on Sundays filling a gap of the madness of no very early morning SE trains. * I’m aware full service expected to resume 15th May The much hyped Thameslink service is utterly pointless and slow, I hope to see the back of it and see the return of the semi fast Gillingham trains, it’s barely ran a proper service since it’s inception four years ago, never saw the benefits in the all stopping Thameslink service. Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. |
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Post by route53 on Apr 22, 2022 10:47:20 GMT
The much hyped Thameslink service is utterly pointless and slow, I hope to see the back of it and see the return of the semi fast Gillingham trains, it’s barely ran a proper service since it’s inception four years ago, never saw the benefits in the all stopping Thameslink service. Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. That’s ran 1tph for most of its existence and is usually the first service GTR dumps whenever there’s disruption? Hardly a tube style service and a pretty poor replacement for the old semi fast trains which actually served a purpose, it would work better as a Dartford service but Medway is too far out for a service that calls at pretty much every single minor station to London, the Greenwich branch coped with Cannon Street only services before and had a better service of a clock face 6tph and the Thameslink undoes the billions spent on separating each line on the approach to London Bridge by using North Kent East Junction, it may be unlikely the semi fasts will return but nothing is certain these days, the idea of having cross London bus routes and express bus routes seemed unlikely a year ago. |
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Post by busman on Apr 22, 2022 11:09:19 GMT
The much hyped Thameslink service is utterly pointless and slow, I hope to see the back of it and see the return of the semi fast Gillingham trains, it’s barely ran a proper service since it’s inception four years ago, never saw the benefits in the all stopping Thameslink service. Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. I think I’m one of the few to like Thameslink through Greenwich. I’d rather keep a direct link to Kings Cross and beyond, rather than have yet another service taking me to Cannon Street or Charing Cross. I’ve caught it numerous times to and from Kings Cross, the direct link is really handy. If I’m travelling from Medway back to SE London, I tend to get the first train towards Dartford and change there if necessary. That was always my travel pattern even before the Thameslink took over, so nothing changed for me. For passengers at stations such as Stone Crossing, I think the service is undoubtedly worse. But if I compare the service from Plumstead in 2009 compared to what it is today, the improvement is massive. People were being left behind on the London bound platform whilst fast trains with capacity would sail past. I avoided commuting on the line for many years and was only tempted back once the service pattern was increased. The number of cancellations seems lower than I can ever remember, but I could be wrong since I no longer use the line daily. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2022 11:10:42 GMT
Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. That’s ran 1tph for most of its existence and is usually the first service GTR dumps whenever there’s disruption? Hardly a tube style service and a pretty poor replacement for the old semi fast trains which actually served a purpose, it would work better as a Dartford service but Medway is too far out for a service that calls at pretty much every single minor station to London, the Greenwich branch coped with Cannon Street only services before and had a better service of a clock face 6tph and the Thameslink undoes the billions spent on separating each line on the approach to London Bridge by using North Kent East Junction, it may be unlikely the semi fasts will return but nothing is certain these days, the idea of having cross London bus routes and express bus routes seemed unlikely a year ago. The 2tph service is resuming soon and ideally it would be more frequent than that but such are the restraints of the network. I don't see what would be achieved by removing the Thameslink service, all it would be replaced with are more Southeastern services to and from Cannon Street. The semi fast Gillingham service was removed because there are too many other trains and it was a poor use of track capacity. Also if stops were removed on the Woolwich line those stations would no longer have a direct service to Charing Cross. I doubt whether many people travel between the Medway Towns and Central London on Thameslink when there are faster services available to Victoria and the high speed service, Thameslink is more of a local service. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 11:29:21 GMT
Which is the reason the N89 goes there. Well done |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 11:32:57 GMT
Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. That’s ran 1tph for most of its existence and is usually the first service GTR dumps whenever there’s disruption? Hardly a tube style service and a pretty poor replacement for the old semi fast trains which actually served a purpose, it would work better as a Dartford service but Medway is too far out for a service that calls at pretty much every single minor station to London, the Greenwich branch coped with Cannon Street only services before and had a better service of a clock face 6tph and the Thameslink undoes the billions spent on separating each line on the approach to London Bridge by using North Kent East Junction, it may be unlikely the semi fasts will return but nothing is certain these days, the idea of having cross London bus routes and express bus routes seemed unlikely a year ago. I can vouch for that service being appalling. Last & first trains often get cancelled. They often run late so get stuck behind a SE trains calling at all stops so any advantage of them being marginally quicker goes. Crowded, unpleasant and slow. |
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Post by route53 on Apr 22, 2022 11:36:03 GMT
Far from being pointless it's a very useful tube type service into SE London and without it stations between Charlton and Deptford would only have a service to London Bridge and Cannon Street. There is no likelihood of the semi fast Gillingham service returning. I think I’m one of the few to like Thameslink through Greenwich. I’d rather keep a direct link to Kings Cross and beyond, rather than have yet another service taking me to Cannon Street or Charing Cross. I’ve caught it numerous times to and from Kings Cross, the direct link is really handy. If I’m travelling from Medway back to SE London, I tend to get the first train towards Dartford and change there if necessary. That was always my travel pattern even before the Thameslink took over, so nothing changed for me. For passengers at stations such as Stone Crossing, I think the service is undoubtedly worse. But if I compare the service from Plumstead in 2009 compared to what it is today, the improvement is massive. People were being left behind on the London bound platform whilst fast trains with capacity would sail past. I avoided commuting on the line for many years and was only tempted back once the service pattern was increased. The number of cancellations seems lower than I can ever remember, but I could be wrong since I no longer use the line daily. Maybe terminate it at Dartford but I really don’t see why outer suburban semi fast trains should be slowed down just because passengers at a particular stop don’t want to wait an extra few minutes, that’s a reality at a lot of stations in which fast trains pass by, Plumstead doesn’t need 8tph off peak it can get by on 6tph, and the shacks between Dartford, Greenhithe and Gravesend certainly don’t need 4tph, didn’t there used to be Plumstead terminators in the peaks years ago that offset passengers being left behind? Thameslink has provided a poor service since it’s inception it’s give the Greenwich line uneven gaps between trains where it had a clockface 6tph service before. |
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Post by route53 on Apr 22, 2022 11:39:33 GMT
That’s ran 1tph for most of its existence and is usually the first service GTR dumps whenever there’s disruption? Hardly a tube style service and a pretty poor replacement for the old semi fast trains which actually served a purpose, it would work better as a Dartford service but Medway is too far out for a service that calls at pretty much every single minor station to London, the Greenwich branch coped with Cannon Street only services before and had a better service of a clock face 6tph and the Thameslink undoes the billions spent on separating each line on the approach to London Bridge by using North Kent East Junction, it may be unlikely the semi fasts will return but nothing is certain these days, the idea of having cross London bus routes and express bus routes seemed unlikely a year ago. The 2tph service is resuming soon and ideally it would be more frequent than that but such are the restraints of the network. I don't see what would be achieved by removing the Thameslink service, all it would be replaced with are more Southeastern services to and from Cannon Street. The semi fast Gillingham service was removed because there are too many other trains and it was a poor use of track capacity. Also if stops were removed on the Woolwich line those stations would no longer have a direct service to Charing Cross. I doubt whether many people travel between the Medway Towns and Central London on Thameslink when there are faster services available to Victoria and the high speed service, Thameslink is more of a local service. It would restore the clockface 6tph service the Greenwich line had prior to 2018, give Medway and Gravesend a faster link to the CrossRail and DLR interchanges at Abbey Wood & Woolwich Arsenal, the Thameslink could be cut back to Gravesend then call at all stations including the shacks between Gravesend & Dartford plus Erith and Belvedere which isn’t currently served by Thameslink. |
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