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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 7, 2022 21:09:39 GMT
The 25th is a Saturday, they start disrupting the leisure market it won't go down well, I think they've got very little public sympathy as it is. I've no particular opinion on the strike action, I'm not entirely sure what it's all about but I did hear something about Sunday working being optional with some operators, how can any public transport be operated on that basis? I do not think the RMT realise a lot of these striking things are turning the public against the staff. There has been an increase in staff being assaulted mainly being station staff who are the face of the company. As for Sunday working being optional I fully agree with them on that basis. I am sick to death of this constant Sunday working and erosion of quality and religious life. Over the years we have got to the point of Sunday working being compulsory, then instead of it being double pay, being reduced to time and a half and then in some companies reduced to normal standard rate. I agree with both points you make, people have rights to Sundays off and I don't think that should change. The Unions need to know patients is wearing thin with the public, the actions they're taking are affecting the wrong people and I've not spoken to a single person I know lately that sympathises with them. It's always a case of "what do they want now" as opposed to agreeing with them. Would like to see what'd happen if underpaid A&E staff strike one night, but obviously none will strike because they care about the public.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 7, 2022 21:32:19 GMT
The 25th is a Saturday, they start disrupting the leisure market it won't go down well, I think they've got very little public sympathy as it is. I've no particular opinion on the strike action, I'm not entirely sure what it's all about but I did hear something about Sunday working being optional with some operators, how can any public transport be operated on that basis? I do not think the RMT realise a lot of these striking things are turning the public against the staff. There has been an increase in staff being assaulted mainly being station staff who are the face of the company. As for Sunday working being optional I fully agree with them on that basis. I am sick to death of this constant Sunday working and erosion of quality and religious life. Over the years we have got to the point of Sunday working being compulsory, then instead of it being double pay, being reduced to time and a half and then in some companies reduced to normal standard rate. Obviously staff being assaulted is appalling but I can understand the travelling public are sick and tired of being held to ransom by what they see as a self entitled bunch living in a bygone era. Maybe it was practical years ago for Sunday to be optional but the world has changed and the railway industry needs to adapt.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 7, 2022 22:21:19 GMT
Issue being there'll be a lot of GCSE and A Level exams the strike days. Which would still mean the majority could remain off school. As far as I am aware schools cannot authorise absences for external strike action, they can if teachers are on strike and the headteacher chooses to close the school. It would go down as unauthorised and could lead to further problems down the line. Unfortunately most kids will be expected to be at school. If the school is open, kids gotta be there.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 7, 2022 22:26:51 GMT
The 25th is a Saturday, they start disrupting the leisure market it won't go down well, I think they've got very little public sympathy as it is. I've no particular opinion on the strike action, I'm not entirely sure what it's all about but I did hear something about Sunday working being optional with some operators, how can any public transport be operated on that basis? I do not think the RMT realise a lot of these striking things are turning the public against the staff. There has been an increase in staff being assaulted mainly being station staff who are the face of the company. As for Sunday working being optional I fully agree with them on that basis. I am sick to death of this constant Sunday working and erosion of quality and religious life. Over the years we have got to the point of Sunday working being compulsory, then instead of it being double pay, being reduced to time and a half and then in some companies reduced to normal standard rate. A lot of retailers don’t offer any special Sunday arrangements for staff anymore. When I worked in retail I only had to do 11-5 on a Sunday, with a 30 min lunch break, but I was paid for a full 7.5 hour day. Later hires had to work a full 9.30-6 day. Even Wilko, once famed for its double time Sundays axed them back in 2016. So many years I tried for a weekend job there for the double pay but they were impossible jobs to get.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2022 22:36:28 GMT
I do not think the RMT realise a lot of these striking things are turning the public against the staff. There has been an increase in staff being assaulted mainly being station staff who are the face of the company. As for Sunday working being optional I fully agree with them on that basis. I am sick to death of this constant Sunday working and erosion of quality and religious life. Over the years we have got to the point of Sunday working being compulsory, then instead of it being double pay, being reduced to time and a half and then in some companies reduced to normal standard rate. A lot of retailers don’t offer any special Sunday arrangements for staff anymore. When I worked in retail I only had to do 11-5 on a Sunday, with a 30 min lunch break, but I was paid for a full 7.5 hour day. Later hires had to work a full 9.30-6 day. Even Wilko, once famed for its double time Sundays axed them back in 2016. So many years I tried for a weekend job there for the double pay but they were impossible jobs to get. Yep, I can collaborate that, most retail places don't do the double time anymore. Iceland has never done it throughout my stint, thankfully I've only ever had to work a couple of Sundays in the distant past merely as a favour.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 7, 2022 22:49:43 GMT
Which would still mean the majority could remain off school. As far as I am aware schools cannot authorise absences for external strike action, they can if teachers are on strike and the headteacher chooses to close the school. It would go down as unauthorised and could lead to further problems down the line. Unfortunately most kids will be expected to be at school. If the school is open, kids gotta be there. That wouldn't stop many parents keeping their kids from school, especially where it could take a lot longer for them to get home.
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Post by COBO on Jun 8, 2022 17:39:42 GMT
Will Crossrail also be striking?
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Post by WH241 on Jun 8, 2022 17:41:12 GMT
Will Crossrail also be striking? Already been asked and answered on page one of this very thread.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 9, 2022 13:09:40 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2022 7:37:13 GMT
At this rate, we may as well have DLR, cable car, Trams, join in, the more the merrier
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Post by lonmark on Jun 10, 2022 12:43:35 GMT
At this rate, we may as well have DLR, cable car, Trams, join in, the more the merrier That is terrible. Shame on RMT for damage public now! I know I may agree on pay rise but no need for the strikes at all. Go back to table and talk again though! Remember of people who got exam to go to! They got so important to do it.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 10, 2022 12:47:37 GMT
At this rate, we may as well have DLR, cable car, Trams, join in, the more the merrier Trams already included in the strike. DLR running as they don’t need humans to operate. You get a drift of where things are heading … At least we have an excellent network of buses which are very frequent (every 3-4 min) paralleling tube lines in a lot of cases which can easily handle whatever happens. Oh wait, we hacked that to bits
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 10, 2022 13:22:45 GMT
At this rate, we may as well have DLR, cable car, Trams, join in, the more the merrier Trams already included in the strike. DLR running as they don’t need humans to operate. You get a drift of where things are heading … At least we have an excellent network of buses which are very frequent (every 3-4 min) paralleling tube lines in a lot of cases which can easily handle whatever happens. Oh wait, we hacked that to bits TFL thinning out routes that happen to parallel rail with the specific ambition of pushing passengers onto rail is setting London up for cataclysmic transportation circumstances if the trains are disrupted. For example, if the Circle and District Lines are out is the 507 a remotely viable alternative capacity wise.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 10, 2022 13:25:22 GMT
At this rate, we may as well have DLR, cable car, Trams, join in, the more the merrier DLR running as they don’t need humans to operate. You get a drift of where things are heading … I don't see the London Underground heading in that degree of automation for a long time yet. The Victoria Line was built from the 60s to 'almost' run by itself yet still hasn't been modified to exclude the human element....too strong on the Union for starters (and rightly so).
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2022 13:42:45 GMT
DLR running as they don’t need humans to operate. You get a drift of where things are heading … I don't see the London Underground heading in that degree of automation for a long time yet. The Victoria Line was built from the 60s to 'almost' run by itself yet still hasn't been modified to exclude the human element....too strong on the Union for starters (and rightly so). If the DfT do get their wish and eventually grab TfL control, that's probably when it will happen
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