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Post by mkay315 on Jun 30, 2022 21:34:31 GMT
I just realised if the 12 does take over from the 148 then in theory it's somewhat returning back to it's roots in Shepherds Bush again (albeit through a different routing in central london) if this has been mentioned then my apologies
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 3:09:50 GMT
Given that routes 4 & 76 reach St Paul's station together, they could even have rerouted route 76 to Waterloo via Blackfriars Bridge. That had been its traditional routing for many years. Then they could have extended route 15 to Victoria instead of diverting route 26 there. Yes that could work well, or even diverting the 341 over Blackfriars Bridge, continuing ahead from Farringdon rather than turning onto Fleet Street? Assuming that few people use the round the corner link at Ludgate Circus, this route 341 change could be effective.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 3:23:38 GMT
I have to admit going somewhat cross-eyed with this many changes which are hard to absorb, but I couldn't help but notice this text below on p.22 of the newer document 'Central London bus review paper consultation' (PDF version) Route 414 – withdraw• Route 14 – withdraw between Russell Square and Hyde Park Corner and extend to Marble Arch to retain links and mitigate the impact of withdrawing routes 74 and 414Are TfL getting ahead of themselves? PS In fact, I have also noticed this (p21): Route 11 – withdraw between Liverpool Street and Parliament Square and extend
to Waterloo via the current route 211 alignment to retain links and mitigate the
impact of restructuring route 211 Route 507 – withdrawGood spot. Not a surprise in the slightest if this is now the plan. Though notice the N11 and 14N are still noted as withdrawn with the N507 & N414 being introduced - this use of withdrawn day route numbers for night services (same as N271) is interesting. Also notice the N279 is planned to he renumbered N259. How long until suddenly the 12, 16 and 24 are "saved" - and the 148, 214 & 332 are suddenly withdrawn? Talking of route 214, I feel it should be diverted not to Pimlico but to Mile End. Then route 24 could start at Pimlico but be diverted to Parliament Hill Fields. The plot could thicken if we bring route 88 into the mix. Route 24 would be saved with route 205 withdrawn instead.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 3:36:05 GMT
Going to quickly jot it down to save members the trip to twitter! Buses per hour: 3, 6, 13, 15, 17, 23, 26, 27, 43, 47, 49, 53, 56, 59, 77, 88, 91, 98, 100, 113, 133, 139, 148, 171, 189, 211, 236, 254, 277, 279, 283, 319, 328, 345, 388, 430, 476, C10= unchanged Increases: 19 (6 > 7) 22 (6 > 7.5) 259 (6 > 7.5) 272 (4 > 5) 414 (7.5 > 8) C1 (4 > 5) Decreases: 35 (8 > 7.5) 135 (6 > 5) 205 (6.7 > 6) 214 (8 > 6) 507 (7.5 > 6) D3 (5 > 4) Thank you for this list. So, parts of routes 24 & 88 will be replaced by route 214 with 10.2m single-deckers? Talking of route 19, I'm not sure whether it will retain LTs as I don't know whether the current route 49 roads south of South Kensington can take LTs. I hope not, as I enjoy South Kensington being a notable zone 1 LT-free interchange.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 2, 2022 7:29:14 GMT
Going to quickly jot it down to save members the trip to twitter! Buses per hour: 3, 6, 13, 15, 17, 23, 26, 27, 43, 47, 49, 53, 56, 59, 77, 88, 91, 98, 100, 113, 133, 139, 148, 171, 189, 211, 236, 254, 277, 279, 283, 319, 328, 345, 388, 430, 476, C10= unchanged Increases: 19 (6 > 7) 22 (6 > 7.5) 259 (6 > 7.5) 272 (4 > 5) 414 (7.5 > 8) C1 (4 > 5) Decreases: 35 (8 > 7.5) 135 (6 > 5) 205 (6.7 > 6) 214 (8 > 6) 507 (7.5 > 6) D3 (5 > 4) Thank you for this list. So, parts of routes 24 & 88 will be replaced by route 214 with 10.2m single-deckers? Talking of route 19, I'm not sure whether it will retain LTs as I don't know whether the current route 49 roads south of South Kensington can take LTs. I hope not, as I enjoy South Kensington being a notable zone 1 LT-free interchange. A lot of 49's LOR between SK and Chelsea is covered by 211 so unfortunately I think they can take LTs
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 2, 2022 7:29:48 GMT
Going to quickly jot it down to save members the trip to twitter! Buses per hour: 3, 6, 13, 15, 17, 23, 26, 27, 43, 47, 49, 53, 56, 59, 77, 88, 91, 98, 100, 113, 133, 139, 148, 171, 189, 211, 236, 254, 277, 279, 283, 319, 328, 345, 388, 430, 476, C10= unchanged Increases: 19 (6 > 7) 22 (6 > 7.5) 259 (6 > 7.5) 272 (4 > 5) 414 (7.5 > 8) C1 (4 > 5) Decreases: 35 (8 > 7.5) 135 (6 > 5) 205 (6.7 > 6) 214 (8 > 6) 507 (7.5 > 6) D3 (5 > 4) Thank you for this list. So, parts of routes 24 & 88 will be replaced by route 214 with 10.2m single-deckers? Talking of route 19, I'm not sure whether it will retain LTs as I don't know whether the current route 49 roads south of South Kensington can take LTs. I hope not, as I enjoy South Kensington being a notable zone 1 LT-free interchange. Should be able to take them now that the section has now got the 10.9m BCEs along it.
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 7, 2022 8:25:42 GMT
I do hope they keep 12 and get rid of 148 instead as it be odd not having 12 and that will return to Shepherd's Brush and they could even return it to Harlesden
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Post by M1104 on Jul 7, 2022 10:18:58 GMT
Thank you for this list. So, parts of routes 24 & 88 will be replaced by route 214 with 10.2m single-deckers? Talking of route 19, I'm not sure whether it will retain LTs as I don't know whether the current route 49 roads south of South Kensington can take LTs. I hope not, as I enjoy South Kensington being a notable zone 1 LT-free interchange. Those roads have been modified for clearance as the 49 can now take BCEs which were unable to be used on route before. Presumably the slightly longer LTs also have clearance.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 7, 2022 11:36:55 GMT
I do hope they keep 12 and get rid of 148 instead as it be odd not having 12 and that will return to Shepherd's Brush and they could even return it to Harlesden They couldn’t return it to Harlesden, far too lengthy
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2022 14:56:52 GMT
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 8, 2022 16:16:27 GMT
I still it think it odd that all the low numbers will be going like 4 12 14 16 24 31 45 72 74 it will be a big gap that is after 10 48 84 gone I do hope that the upper/higher numbers go instead
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Post by greenboy on Jul 8, 2022 19:17:36 GMT
I still it think it odd that all the low numbers will be going like 4 12 14 16 24 31 45 72 74 it will be a big gap that is after 10 48 84 gone I do hope that the upper/higher numbers go instead It has been suggested that the number 14 will be retained for the revised 14/414. I wouldn't be surprised if the 16,24,31 and 74 remain in some form.
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Post by COBO on Jul 9, 2022 5:18:36 GMT
Do you ever think that other parts of London will also get massive cuts like Central London has?
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 9, 2022 6:08:48 GMT
Do you ever think that other parts of London will also get massive cuts like Central London has? It's debatable that one.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 9, 2022 6:43:11 GMT
Do you ever think that other parts of London will also get massive cuts like Central London has? It seems less likely. There are fewer such links covered by railways, and total frequencies along individual roads tend to be lower anyway.
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