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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 4, 2022 3:04:33 GMT
I've just noticed that route 148 will run Dulwich - Westminster - Victoria - Marble Arch - Shepherd's Bush. This will be like traditional route 12 but rerouted via Victoria instead of Oxford Circus. What they could do is to withdraw route 148 and divert route 12 at Westminster to Shepherd's Bush via Victoria & Marble Arch.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 4, 2022 5:17:15 GMT
I think the 49 extension is probably for operational convenience as much as anything, with it being curtailed at South Kensington it would have been a very short route from there to Shepherds Bush/White City. Route 49 used to have a Sunday extension from Shepherd's Bush to Harlesden via East Acton (currently covered by route 260) until 1978. Routes 49 & 345 do have different routings from South Kensington to King's Road. I cannot tell whether route 49 is being replaced on that section. The 19 is rerouted via South Kensington replacing the 49. TfL clearly think the 319 and 345 are sufficient along Battersea Park Road.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 4, 2022 8:42:04 GMT
Route 49 used to have a Sunday extension from Shepherd's Bush to Harlesden via East Acton (currently covered by route 260) until 1978. Routes 49 & 345 do have different routings from South Kensington to King's Road. I cannot tell whether route 49 is being replaced on that section. The 19 is rerouted via South Kensington replacing the 49. TfL clearly think the 319 and 345 are sufficient along Battersea Park Road. In an ideal world the 19 would be covering the 49 to Clapham Junction to maintain capacity south of Battersea Bridge. I didn't realise that section had excess capacity as the 3 routes had generally been well loaded.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 4, 2022 8:55:07 GMT
The Putney area changes I largely agree with thou I think I would have jigged the 14 and 74 and withdrew the 414 and 430 thou I think I would have stayed with the original thoughts and had the 14 from Piccadilly and 74 from Marble Arch to Roehampton and not diverted the 19 and kept the 49 as it is and left East Acton to an increased 272 plus the 7, 220 and 283 offering support. I think they will let current routes 414 & 430 reclaim numbers 14 & 74 in the end respectively. In other news, route 6 returns to Oxford Circus and route 23 returns to Aldwych. Many of us (myself not included) talked down the current route 23. I highly doubt it. The 430 is nothing like the 74, it's well, the 430. The 414 also practically is not changed and it is also currently the most frequent route on the corridor so makes most sense to keep. A number is just a number.
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Post by abellion on Jun 4, 2022 9:08:00 GMT
I think they will let current routes 414 & 430 reclaim numbers 14 & 74 in the end respectively. In other news, route 6 returns to Oxford Circus and route 23 returns to Aldwych. Many of us (myself not included) talked down the current route 23. I highly doubt it. The 430 is nothing like the 74, it's well, the 430. The 414 also practically is not changed and it is also currently the most frequent route on the corridor so makes most sense to keep. A number is just a number. A number is just a number but some numbers are more iconic or historically significant to an area. The 14 and 74 have been running to Putney since 1934 and the 414 and 430 only came along in 2003 - it speaks for itself
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Post by greenboy on Jun 4, 2022 9:51:27 GMT
The 19 is rerouted via South Kensington replacing the 49. TfL clearly think the 319 and 345 are sufficient along Battersea Park Road. In an ideal world the 19 would be covering the 49 to Clapham Junction to maintain capacity south of Battersea Bridge. I didn't realise that section had excess capacity as the 3 routes had generally been well loaded. That’s what I thought, at least extend the 19 to the Latchmere if stand space can be found. Even taking into account people switching to the tube since the Battersea extension opened this does seem a bit harsh.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 4, 2022 9:59:48 GMT
I think they will let current routes 414 & 430 reclaim numbers 14 & 74 in the end respectively. In other news, route 6 returns to Oxford Circus and route 23 returns to Aldwych. Many of us (myself not included) talked down the current route 23. I highly doubt it. The 430 is nothing like the 74, it's well, the 430. The 414 also practically is not changed and it is also currently the most frequent route on the corridor so makes most sense to keep. A number is just a number. The 430 is being rerouted via the 74 route between West Brompton and South Kensington so surely it makes sense to number it 74? The 14/414 will be Putney Heath to Hyde Park Corner as the 14 does now but then rerouted to Marble Arch.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 4, 2022 10:39:17 GMT
In an ideal world the 19 would be covering the 49 to Clapham Junction to maintain capacity south of Battersea Bridge. I didn't realise that section had excess capacity as the 3 routes had generally been well loaded. That’s what I thought, at least extend the 19 to the Latchmere if stand space can be found. Even taking into account people switching to the tube since the Battersea extension opened this does seem a bit harsh. I also think the 22 should reinstated to terminate at Piccadilly Circus now that the 19 is proposed to be rerouted via South Kensington. A King’s Road to Piccadilly Circus link is essential. I doubt that the rerouting of the 22 at Green Park to Oxford Circus has been much of a success.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2022 10:42:55 GMT
That’s what I thought, at least extend the 19 to the Latchmere if stand space can be found. Even taking into account people switching to the tube since the Battersea extension opened this does seem a bit harsh. I also think the 22 should reinstated to terminate at Piccadilly Circus now that the 19 is proposed to be rerouted via South Kensington. A King’s Road to Piccadilly Circus link is essential. I doubt that the rerouting of the 22 at Green Park to Oxford Circus has been much of a success. I don't think a King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is what needs to be prioritised, King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is a good example of a journey that TfL will want to be made on the tube as opposed to the bus.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 4, 2022 11:35:19 GMT
I also think the 22 should reinstated to terminate at Piccadilly Circus now that the 19 is proposed to be rerouted via South Kensington. A King’s Road to Piccadilly Circus link is essential. I doubt that the rerouting of the 22 at Green Park to Oxford Circus has been much of a success. I don't think a King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is what needs to be prioritised, King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is a good example of a journey that TfL will want to be made on the tube as opposed to the bus. Except that is particularly difficult to do by tube, some parts of King’s Road are a long way from the nearest tube station, it has been demonstrated with maps that this is one of worst areas for accessibility to the tube network in Central London hence the potential King’s Road station on Crossrail 2.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 4, 2022 11:45:35 GMT
I also think the 22 should reinstated to terminate at Piccadilly Circus now that the 19 is proposed to be rerouted via South Kensington. A King’s Road to Piccadilly Circus link is essential. I doubt that the rerouting of the 22 at Green Park to Oxford Circus has been much of a success. I don't think a King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is what needs to be prioritised, King's Road to Piccadilly Circus is a good example of a journey that TfL will want to be made on the tube as opposed to the bus. Moreover the 19 will still continue to serve most of the section of King's Road it currently does.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 4, 2022 12:13:15 GMT
The 19 is rerouted via South Kensington replacing the 49. TfL clearly think the 319 and 345 are sufficient along Battersea Park Road. In an ideal world the 19 would be covering the 49 to Clapham Junction to maintain capacity south of Battersea Bridge. I didn't realise that section had excess capacity as the 3 routes had generally been well loaded. Maybe TFL could have considered having the 19 run between Clapham Junction and somewhere like Russell Square, then keep the 4 but reroute via the 19 to Holborn or Tottenham Court Road?
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Post by rif153 on Jun 4, 2022 22:32:24 GMT
That’s what I thought, at least extend the 19 to the Latchmere if stand space can be found. Even taking into account people switching to the tube since the Battersea extension opened this does seem a bit harsh. I also think the 22 should reinstated to terminate at Piccadilly Circus now that the 19 is proposed to be rerouted via South Kensington. A King’s Road to Piccadilly Circus link is essential. I doubt that the rerouting of the 22 at Green Park to Oxford Circus has been much of a success. The C2 should really never have been meddled with as that did a good job of serving Mayfair and provided quicker north-south connections than the 24, 88 or 390 do. I thought the proposed 311 would've gone some way to repairing that damage by reinstating that link from Victoria-Oxford Circus. Of course from TFL's point of view they probably hacked away at the C2 as it duplicated the Victoria line.
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 2:01:58 GMT
Most routes in this consultation are routes I don’t use very often, so I’m not going to make a load of comment, but one change that does concern me, and I hope the residents kick up a stinking fuss about this, is the loss of the Nunhead part of the 78 without replacement. Can’t the 381 extend there instead? At that point the 78 may aswell be retained , the extra buses required for the 381 and 388 would not be far of the 78s current PVR
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 6, 2022 2:20:43 GMT
Most routes in this consultation are routes I don’t use very often, so I’m not going to make a load of comment, but one change that does concern me, and I hope the residents kick up a stinking fuss about this, is the loss of the Nunhead part of the 78 without replacement. Can’t the 381 extend there instead? At that point the 78 may aswell be retained , the extra buses required for the 381 and 388 would not be far of the 78s current PVR All three routes aren't even with the same operator how would that work?? Also that Putney review looking obsolete now; unless if this was it all along
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