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Post by WH241 on Jun 9, 2022 14:51:40 GMT
Up the workers who do nothing but cause misery to actual hard working Londoners who probably don't even get pay rises themselves but would probably result in people dead if they don't turn up to work, or them losing their job. Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Being in a union don’t mean you are entitled to guaranteed pay rises. Controversial opinion here it seems unions are more out for what they can get and the monthly subs. What happened to unions being there for when you needed them in times of trouble. O and yes I am a union member and do cross the picket line when there are strikes as my salary is half that of what most NUT members get! It’s like we are heading back to the 1970s next it will be the rubbish collectors on strike.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 9, 2022 14:59:52 GMT
Up the workers who do nothing but cause misery to actual hard working Londoners who probably don't even get pay rises themselves but would probably result in people dead if they don't turn up to work, or them losing their job. Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Sorry but it's pointless claiming them to be hard working when they're the ones being part of the problem. Once again I can't see hospital staff Unionising and then striking as people would be dead and then they'd all get sued. When was the last time you saw a strike at Asda? These people need to be glad they've got a job in this day and age.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 9, 2022 15:06:28 GMT
Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Being in a union don’t mean you are entitled to guaranteed pay rises. Controversial opinion here it seems unions are more out for what they can get and the monthly subs. What happened to unions being there for when you needed them in times of trouble. O and yes I am a union member and do cross the picket line when there are strikes as my salary is half that of what most NUT members get! It’s like we are heading back to the 1970s next it will be the rubbish collectors on strike. Didn't say it guaranteed anything but joining a union is the only real effective way of getting pay rises or tackling pension disputes. Unions get stuff done despite all the usual criticisms. They've ensured railway wages have remained much better than that of bus industry.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 9, 2022 15:13:13 GMT
Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Sorry but it's pointless claiming them to be hard working when they're the ones being part of the problem. Once again I can't see hospital staff Unionising and then striking as people would be dead and then they'd all get sued. When was the last time you saw a strike at Asda? These people need to be glad they've got a job in this day and age. Junior doctors went on a strike a few years ago. They were absolutely right to. Your right, there hasn't been a strike at Asda for example for a while. Prehaps there should be what with 11% inflation and labour shortages. Some employers are taking the mick
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 9, 2022 15:23:05 GMT
Sorry but it's pointless claiming them to be hard working when they're the ones being part of the problem. Once again I can't see hospital staff Unionising and then striking as people would be dead and then they'd all get sued. When was the last time you saw a strike at Asda? These people need to be glad they've got a job in this day and age. Junior doctors went on a strike a few years ago. They were absolutely right to. Your right, there hasn't been a strike at Asda for example for a while. Prehaps there should be what with 11% inflation and labour shortages. Some employers are taking the mick The Junior Doctor strike was however coordinated so that patients would not be inconvenienced, simply the board and trust suffered. Rail staff do not do that.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 9, 2022 18:54:48 GMT
Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Sorry but it's pointless claiming them to be hard working when they're the ones being part of the problem. Once again I can't see hospital staff Unionising and then striking as people would be dead and then they'd all get sued. When was the last time you saw a strike at Asda? These people need to be glad they've got a job in this day and age. Hello- hard working rail worker here (not LU or NR) I think it would, perhaps, be wise to look into the reasons why members of the RMT have been balloted for strike action, many of which are the lowest paid members of staff on the railway.
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Post by TA1 on Jun 10, 2022 0:19:15 GMT
I'll say it again - Up the workers. It took a while for some to take a nibble, I must try harder. Anyway, let me introduce myself, Hi, hard-working Train Driver here (NR) - I've held multiple roles Ticket Office, Station Assistant, Driver. The first two jobs were the lowest paid, dealt with entitled disgruntled passengers in times of disruption, spat at, threatened, even got into fight whilst working at a major station in North London. TOC's reliant on existing employees working overtime & then in the last resort use Agency staff who earn more then TOC staff but have worse T&C's i.e no fixed hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. The Government is the cause behind this disruption, unions are counteracting government actions. Why must my pension be tampered with just because, why must I continually work overtime just to maintain service, just because the DFT doesn't want to fund TOC's to hire more staff, the same DFT that will scrap perfectly good units because of a temporary downturn in footfall because of COVID. I read a comment, saying being in Union doesn't necessarily mean we deserve payrises, when franchises are tendered, Pay rises are factored in the tender, the unions negotiate T&C's and pay with the DFT, read into it. Not sure, why Railway workers have been targeted not our fault other sectors' unions aren't as strong as the railways, to be honest. Every time a Trainee Train Vacancy is released, tens of thousands apply but not everyone meets the criteria of the psychometric exams, let alone the many interviews, nor the intensive training, nor the ability to deal with things in pressurised situations, or stop in thick fog or the pitch darkness after breaking high speed and stopping at the stop car mark. Also, you're interacting with a hard-working train driver that after 9 weeks of having some take their life under his train, he was back driving trains, as I did throughout covid, keeping hardworkers moving. Because all train drivers do is push a few buttons and a lever & strike when we feel like annoying the opinionated right?!
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 10, 2022 0:51:47 GMT
Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Being in a union don’t mean you are entitled to guaranteed pay rises. Controversial opinion here it seems unions are more out for what they can get and the monthly subs. What happened to unions being there for when you needed them in times of trouble. O and yes I am a union member and do cross the picket line when there are strikes as my salary is half that of what most NUT members get! It’s like we are heading back to the 1970s next it will be the rubbish collectors on strike. We have a cost of living crisis and people are struggling to make ends meet. Trade Unions are there for pay and conditions and to support working people. The union I am a member of has been there for people when they have needed them and continue to do so.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 10, 2022 0:53:51 GMT
I'll say it again - Up the workers. It took a while for some to take a nibble, I must try harder. Anyway, let me introduce myself, Hi, hard-working Train Driver here (NR) - I've held multiple roles Ticket Office, Station Assistant, Driver. The first two jobs were the lowest paid, dealt with entitled disgruntled passengers in times of disruption, spat at, threatened, even got into fight whilst working at a major station in North London. TOC's reliant on existing employees working overtime & then in the last resort use Agency staff who earn more then TOC staff but have worse T&C's i.e no fixed hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. The Government is the cause behind this disruption, unions are counteracting government actions. Why must my pension be tampered with just because, why must I continually work overtime just to maintain service, just because the DFT doesn't want to fund TOC's to hire more staff, the same DFT that will scrap perfectly good units because of a temporary downturn in footfall because of COVID. I read a comment, saying being in Union doesn't necessarily mean we deserve payrises, when franchises are tendered, Pay rises are factored in the tender, the unions negotiate T&C's and pay with the DFT, read into it. Not sure, why Railway workers have been targeted not our fault other sectors' unions aren't as strong as the railways, to be honest. Every time a Trainee Train Vacancy is released, tens of thousands apply but not everyone meets the criteria of the psychometric exams, let alone the many interviews, nor the intensive training, nor the ability to deal with things in pressurised situations, or stop in thick fog or the pitch darkness after breaking high speed and stopping at the stop car mark. Also, you're interacting with a hard-working train driver that after 9 weeks of having some take their life under his train, he was back driving trains, as I did throughout covid, keeping hardworkers moving. Because all train drivers do is push a few buttons and a lever & strike when we feel like annoying the opinionated right?! I'm so sorry for what you've gone through, hope you're on the mental road to recovery after your occupational hazzard. All I wish to say on the strikes is that Britons pay for the most expensive, yet the most unreliable rail service in Europe. The people who are paid dividends in the rail industry aren't the ones responding to callouts, manning stations, dealing with the public at all times or in your case sadly, dealing with loss of life from train driving. These are people on close to 6 figure salaries deciding to screw over the majority of 'little people' in the rail industry. Just once I'd like to hear everyone on a financial board reject their bonuses, but it rarely ever happens. But hey, it's not like £1 billion in dividends paid out last fiscal year would make a dent in DfT savings now, would it?!
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2022 1:23:57 GMT
Not getting into the debate about whether it was right or wrong but, and this is wishful thinking on my part, some good could come from this by bringing in other industries who are poorly treated like the retail sector for instance but as I said, merely wishful thinking on my part.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 10, 2022 6:33:58 GMT
I'll say it again - Up the workers. It took a while for some to take a nibble, I must try harder. Anyway, let me introduce myself, Hi, hard-working Train Driver here (NR) - I've held multiple roles Ticket Office, Station Assistant, Driver. The first two jobs were the lowest paid, dealt with entitled disgruntled passengers in times of disruption, spat at, threatened, even got into fight whilst working at a major station in North London. TOC's reliant on existing employees working overtime & then in the last resort use Agency staff who earn more then TOC staff but have worse T&C's i.e no fixed hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. The Government is the cause behind this disruption, unions are counteracting government actions. Why must my pension be tampered with just because, why must I continually work overtime just to maintain service, just because the DFT doesn't want to fund TOC's to hire more staff, the same DFT that will scrap perfectly good units because of a temporary downturn in footfall because of COVID. I read a comment, saying being in Union doesn't necessarily mean we deserve payrises, when franchises are tendered, Pay rises are factored in the tender, the unions negotiate T&C's and pay with the DFT, read into it. Not sure, why Railway workers have been targeted not our fault other sectors' unions aren't as strong as the railways, to be honest. Every time a Trainee Train Vacancy is released, tens of thousands apply but not everyone meets the criteria of the psychometric exams, let alone the many interviews, nor the intensive training, nor the ability to deal with things in pressurised situations, or stop in thick fog or the pitch darkness after breaking high speed and stopping at the stop car mark. Also, you're interacting with a hard-working train driver that after 9 weeks of having some take their life under his train, he was back driving trains, as I did throughout covid, keeping hardworkers moving. Because all train drivers do is push a few buttons and a lever & strike when we feel like annoying the opinionated right?! Obviously being spat at is disgusting but it's not something unique to the rail industry, people in many public facing jobs will have had similar experiences. And isn't the fact that there are so many applicants for every job largely because it's seen as a cushy well paid job? Meanwhile many bus operators struggle to recruit drivers especially since the surge in the home delivery market. If you think the strike is justified then fair enough but I think the general public will largely have a different opinion.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2022 7:07:04 GMT
I remember combined Underground and bus strike back in the 80's, but never recall both rail and Underground. That would be some fiasco if it goes ahead I remember 1989 having bus, tube and what was then British Rail all on strike the same day (actually approaching thirty-three years this month). That was the one, although I could not remember that British Rail then was on strike.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2022 7:09:35 GMT
Up the workers who do nothing but cause misery to actual hard working Londoners who probably don't even get pay rises themselves but would probably result in people dead if they don't turn up to work, or them losing their job. Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. But many of those other workers are in unions, but may not be able to strike. We have seen strikes in the same way with Labour governments over the years, so I do not buy that nonsense about who is in government.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2022 7:11:58 GMT
Railway workers are also "actual hard working Londoners" - it's on those other workers you mention then to join a union and get fighting for a better deal then. You can't just sit and wait for the goodwill of bosses(next joke) or this Tory government. I'll be severely disrupted by these strikes but I'm a member of a union myself & vote accordingly when it comes to industrial action and pay deals. Being in a union don’t mean you are entitled to guaranteed pay rises. Controversial opinion here it seems unions are more out for what they can get and the monthly subs. What happened to unions being there for when you needed them in times of trouble. O and yes I am a union member and do cross the picket line when there are strikes as my salary is half that of what most NUT members get! It’s like we are heading back to the 1970s next it will be the rubbish collectors on strike. That was what made union membership at a lot of bus companies low. Because over the years the unions Unite and its former T&G have done little to combat so much different workplace erosion of the job itself.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2022 7:27:01 GMT
I'll say it again - Up the workers. It took a while for some to take a nibble, I must try harder. Anyway, let me introduce myself, Hi, hard-working Train Driver here (NR) - I've held multiple roles Ticket Office, Station Assistant, Driver. The first two jobs were the lowest paid, dealt with entitled disgruntled passengers in times of disruption, spat at, threatened, even got into fight whilst working at a major station in North London. TOC's reliant on existing employees working overtime & then in the last resort use Agency staff who earn more then TOC staff but have worse T&C's i.e no fixed hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. The Government is the cause behind this disruption, unions are counteracting government actions. Why must my pension be tampered with just because, why must I continually work overtime just to maintain service, just because the DFT doesn't want to fund TOC's to hire more staff, the same DFT that will scrap perfectly good units because of a temporary downturn in footfall because of COVID. I read a comment, saying being in Union doesn't necessarily mean we deserve payrises, when franchises are tendered, Pay rises are factored in the tender, the unions negotiate T&C's and pay with the DFT, read into it. Not sure, why Railway workers have been targeted not our fault other sectors' unions aren't as strong as the railways, to be honest. Every time a Trainee Train Vacancy is released, tens of thousands apply but not everyone meets the criteria of the psychometric exams, let alone the many interviews, nor the intensive training, nor the ability to deal with things in pressurised situations, or stop in thick fog or the pitch darkness after breaking high speed and stopping at the stop car mark. Also, you're interacting with a hard-working train driver that after 9 weeks of having some take their life under his train, he was back driving trains, as I did throughout covid, keeping hardworkers moving. Because all train drivers do is push a few buttons and a lever & strike when we feel like annoying the opinionated right?! Then what about people in the army who see people take their lives, or police officers and do not get 9 weeks off. I am sorry, on that statement I do not buy it. Yes the train drivers job is under pressure, but there are many other jobs just the same or even more intense. One of the main reasons why people apply in the thousands for the train drivers job as it does not require any formal qualifications and it is a very high salary. That you would find with a majority of high paid jobs where no formal qualifications are required. lol @ stopping in thick fog etc. once you have been doing something like that for a few months, it becomes second nature. The same would go for a pilot flying a plane. My concern is that many of these strikes all at the same time is political, more than really the job itself. That way to screw over the public and inconvenience them further. These actions do nothing to warm the general public and the majority of them would further hate unions etc. One of the reasons why Thatcher came in at 1979 was purely down to strikes of the previous Labour government. I do support strikes and fully agree about the case of the pensions. However the rate that the RMT just hardly even want to sit around the table, even Khan practically said this is simply bully boy ransom tactics. At the slightest they would always throw a wobbly.
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