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Post by TB123 on Jun 24, 2022 10:02:43 GMT
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Post by george on Jun 24, 2022 10:09:38 GMT
surprised 485 is not mentioned in this. Think we can assume those changes aren't happening anytime soon.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 10:13:27 GMT
I have to say I thought we would be seeing more in the way of routing changes. One positive is the 378 now takes a much more useful routing in Barnes, but significantly decreases the importance of the 485. I'm surprised they didn't just do away with it. A further cut to the 533 when I've repeatedly said that it gets incredibly busy in the peaks. Why can't they just make it 20 minutes in the evenings and leave the bleeding peak frequency alone! And the Chiswick stops, I'm frankly baffled. This is their explanation "We hope that by reinstating all of the stops between Chiswick and Mortlake Cemetery on route 533, more people will be encouraged to use the service, and complete their journeys on foot or by cycle". Not sure what the last part means, if that's referring to Hammersmith Bridge then obviously people in Chiswick would use the other direction straight to Hammersmith. Making the 533 non stop to Mortlake Cemetery greatly improved its reliability and was a better use of resources, the 533 is primarily a bridge service for Mortlake and Barnes so capacity was preseved for those passengers. Chiswick passengers can simply get the 190. They're cutting the 533's frequency and making it less reliable. Poor.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 24, 2022 10:17:41 GMT
Seems a bit pointless keeping the 209 at only every 30 mins. I doubt many passengers would wait for one when other routes are available, such as the 378, 419 or 533. I also think a clockface every-15-minute service on the 533 would be preferable to serving more stops around Chiswick again.
Definitely a case for rationalising the network a lot more in the Barnes area, especially now Hammersmith Bridge is open to pedestrians. I would suggest withdrawing both the 209 and 378, as other routes cover most links. The 533 could be renumbered to 209 and revised to operate via Barnes High Street and Castelnau in both directions. The 378 is mostly covered by the 485.
Not sure a District line link at Putney Bridge is necessarily needed anymore. Many passengers will walk over Hammersmith Bridge for the tube, some will take the 533 to Hammersmith, and some will directly use train services from one of the SWR stations. Much of the 378's line of route is also in walking distance from either the 265 or 337, which both link to the District line around Putney.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 10:24:05 GMT
Seems a bit pointless keeping the 209 at only every 30 mins. I doubt many passengers would wait for one when other routes are available, such as the 378, 419 or 533. I also think a clockface every-15-minute service on the 533 would be preferable to serving more stops around Chiswick again. Definitely a case for rationalising the network a lot more in the Barnes area, especially now Hammersmith Bridge is open to pedestrians. I would suggest withdrawing both the 209 and 378, as other routes cover most links. The 533 could be renumbered to 209 and revised to operate via Barnes High Street and Castelnau in both directions. The 378 is mostly covered by the 485. Not sure a District line link at Putney Bridge is necessarily needed anymore. Many passengers will walk over Hammersmith Bridge for the tube, some will take the 533 to Hammersmith, and some will directly use train services from one of the SWR stations. Much of the 378's line of route is also in walking distance from either the 265 or 337, which both link to the District line around Putney. I agree totally on the 209 idea, the 209 in its current format is a bit silly at this point, especially if it’s 2bph. The Putney Bridge 378 link was used, just not at the frequency level of the route. If the 378 and 485 were merged I’d advocate for a double run to Putney Bridge to be created.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 10:46:44 GMT
However, I do like the guestbook idea. I've made a comment myself. Whether they post it or not is a different story
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Post by rm1422 on Jun 24, 2022 11:09:46 GMT
surprised 485 is not mentioned in this. Think we can assume those changes aren't happening anytime soon. Actually they start the day after the "engagement" closes, so Saturday July 16th. I understand why people think the 378 should go via Church Road, however it suprises me how popular the Beverley Road bus stop has become. I am frequently the only other person on a Putney bound 378 until it gets to that stop and likewise Mortlake bound it frequently empties there. I'm not sure those people will be happy to go back to a decidedly not turn up and go service from the 485. In fact a 15 minute interval 378 also makes me more likely to go another way just in case one is cancelled.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 24, 2022 11:15:11 GMT
surprised 485 is not mentioned in this. Think we can assume those changes aren't happening anytime soon. Actually they start the day after the "engagement" closes, so Saturday July 16th. I understand why people think the 378 should go via Church Road, however it suprises me how popular the Beverley Road bus stop has become. I am frequently the only other person on a Putney bound 378 until it gets to that stop and likewise Mortlake bound it frequently empties there. I'm not sure those people will be happy to go back to a decidedly not turn up and go service from the 485. In fact a 15 minute interval 378 also makes me more likely to go another way just in case one is cancelled. If the changes start on the 16th is this not a consultation? What’s the point in them asking for feedback if the changes are going ahead?
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Post by george on Jun 24, 2022 11:20:23 GMT
surprised 485 is not mentioned in this. Think we can assume those changes aren't happening anytime soon. Actually they start the day after the "engagement" closes, so Saturday July 16th. I understand why people think the 378 should go via Church Road, however it suprises me how popular the Beverley Road bus stop has become. I am frequently the only other person on a Putney bound 378 until it gets to that stop and likewise Mortlake bound it frequently empties there. I'm not sure those people will be happy to go back to a decidedly not turn up and go service from the 485. In fact a 15 minute interval 378 also makes me more likely to go another way just in case one is cancelled. just to be clear I was referring to 485 changes planned to go via Putney High Street and East Putney.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 11:22:35 GMT
surprised 485 is not mentioned in this. Think we can assume those changes aren't happening anytime soon. Actually they start the day after the "engagement" closes, so Saturday July 16th. I understand why people think the 378 should go via Church Road, however it suprises me how popular the Beverley Road bus stop has become. I am frequently the only other person on a Putney bound 378 until it gets to that stop and likewise Mortlake bound it frequently empties there. I'm not sure those people will be happy to go back to a decidedly not turn up and go service from the 485. In fact a 15 minute interval 378 also makes me more likely to go another way just in case one is cancelled. The Beverley Road bus stop, by and large, is used because there is no Barnes Pond stop for eastbound buses and anyone from the centre of Barnes has to walk to that one stop to board a 378. It's essentially 3 stops worth of passengers into one, with an added long walk. The 378's routing change will definitely be more convenient for the majority of Barnes passengers.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2022 11:59:18 GMT
So looks like TfL are killing off the 209 because once it goes every 30 minutes, majority will use other means - could of easily saved money by merging the 209, 378 & 485 into one every 15 minute route running from Wandsworth (ignoring the Riverside change) to Hammersmith Bridge via Putney Bridge, Avondale Road & Wetland double runs
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Post by paulo on Jun 24, 2022 12:00:57 GMT
So looks like TfL are killing off the 209 because once it goes every 30 minutes, majority will use other means - could of easily saved money by merging the 209, 378 & 485 into one every 15 minute route running from Wandsworth (ignoring the Riverside change) to Hammersmith Bridge via Putney Bridge, Avondale Road & Wetland double runs Couldn’t agree more but that would be far too sensible.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 12:06:14 GMT
So looks like TfL are killing off the 209 because once it goes every 30 minutes, majority will use other means - could of easily saved money by merging the 209, 378 & 485 into one every 15 minute route running from Wandsworth (ignoring the Riverside change) to Hammersmith Bridge via Putney Bridge, Avondale Road & Wetland double runs I still disagree regarding an Avondale Road double run, given how empty 485s are on the Castelnau stretch I wouldn't mind completely disregarding that section and just having it run Wandsworth-Mortlake. Two 15 minute frequency routes, one Mortlake-Wandsworth and one Castelnau-Hammersmith, whatever numbers they use, is what I'd employ to most accurately match demand.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 24, 2022 12:59:07 GMT
Not local so take my comments with a pinch of salt - but wasn’t it easier (plus more savings) to just get rid of the 209? An unattractive 30 min frequency isn’t exactly going to attract people so let’s cut to the chase and do what you want to do but don’t dare to do
The 17 min frequency on the 533 - frequencies being made up as we go?
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 24, 2022 13:05:00 GMT
Not local so take my comments with a pinch of salt - but wasn’t it easier (plus more savings) to just get rid of the 209? An unattractive 30 min frequency isn’t exactly going to attract people so let’s cut to the chase and do what you want to do but don’t dare to do The 17 min frequency on the 533 - frequencies being made up as we go? They tried to mess with the 209 number back in 2019 and sending it to Putney was controversial enough. What I don't understand is why they can't just combine it with the 533 whereas they've kept this shell of a route which most people simply won't bother with unless the unlikely event of it coming before a 419 or 533. Both changes to the 533 I'm still trying to wrap my head around as to what the real benefits are to passengers or even TFL
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