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Post by WH241 on Jul 17, 2022 11:54:03 GMT
Wonder whether there will be anything relating to the opening of Barking Riverside Personally think it would be better postponing the opening until Wednesday. I am sure lots of testing has taken place but you never know what can happen on the first day. The last thing you want is a train stuck in the heat! |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 17, 2022 11:58:43 GMT
Wonder whether there will be anything relating to the opening of Barking Riverside Personally think it would be better postponing the opening until Wednesday. I am sure lots of testing has taken place but you never know what can happen on the first day. The last thing you want is a train stuck in the heat! Would make sense to, especially to ensure enthusiasts are acting rationally & safely given that isn’t always the case, especially when heat is an added variable |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 17, 2022 12:04:11 GMT
No LNER trains to and from King's Cross tomorrow and Tuesday....... Great Northern services are also suspended completely on Tuesday 19th, apart from a shuttle service between Cambridge and Kings Lynn only. Thameslink services are not using the connection to the ECML on both Monday and Tuesday so will only operate on the Bedford route north of St Pancras. |
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Post by richard on Jul 17, 2022 13:04:10 GMT
No Gatwick Express tomorrow and Tuesday
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Post by greenboy on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:03 GMT
I think it's very sensible of Geoff Marshall (how often do those words appear in the same sentence?🤣) to call of his visit to Barking Riverside tomorrow and hopefully other enthusiasts will do likewise.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2022 16:54:02 GMT
I think it's very sensible of Geoff Marshall (how often do those words appear in the same sentence?🤣) to call of his visit to Barking Riverside tomorrow and hopefully other enthusiasts will do likewise. Surely it’s up to people to decide what they think is best? This isn’t a lockdown situation - if Geoff decides to not go, that’s his decision and is entitled to it. Likewise, if others want to go out, that’s up to them and that’s their decision |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 17, 2022 17:04:41 GMT
I think it's very sensible of Geoff Marshall (how often do those words appear in the same sentence?🤣) to call of his visit to Barking Riverside tomorrow and hopefully other enthusiasts will do likewise. Surely it’s up to people to decide what they think is best? This isn’t a lockdown situation - if Geoff decides to not go, that’s his decision and is entitled to it. Likewise, if others want to go out, that’s up to them and that’s their decision Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have no idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2022 17:13:25 GMT
Surely it’s up to people to decide what they think is best? This isn’t a lockdown situation - if Geoff decides to not go, that’s his decision and is entitled to it. Likewise, if others want to go out, that’s up to them and that’s their decision Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have not idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. I don’t disagree with most of what you say (don’t understand why peoples choice gets your back up) but you can be sensible and still go out - drink plenty of water, apply sun cream and take shade as much as possible - literally the same thing you should already be doing in the heat regardless. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 17, 2022 17:32:02 GMT
Surely it’s up to people to decide what they think is best? This isn’t a lockdown situation - if Geoff decides to not go, that’s his decision and is entitled to it. Likewise, if others want to go out, that’s up to them and that’s their decision Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have no idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 17, 2022 19:28:46 GMT
Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have no idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I totally agree, whenever there's an extreme weather event we don't seem to have the infrastructure to cope - be it for heavy snow, storms and heatwaves like we will experience tomorrow, when many other countries can. Some people may argue that hotter countries are used to dealing with it - true, but we've experienced days where temperatures have gone beyond 30 before yet the country seems to go into meltdown, same thing with snow and storms even before the country reached its current state of near-recession. It's also a shame that air conditioning wasn't thought of during the design process of trains (and some buses) until the 2000's. There must also be a good reason why none of London's buses apart from TA1 have been fitted with air conditioning, because buses tomorrow will be unbearable without it. Maybe it might be time for a rethink? Also, I wonder if TfL, or bus manufacturers have issued guidance to prevent buses from overheating, which could potentially result in a fire? I would assume that there is an increased risk of buses catching fire whilst out in service if they overheat, particularly battery powered hybrids and electrics. And we have seen quite a few Hybrids catching fire as of late, particularly in warm weather. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 17, 2022 19:44:35 GMT
Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have no idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I was under the impression in Spain most avoid going outside during the middle part of the day but never been and only going by reports on TV where people who live there was talking about coping with the heat.
As for time off work I think lots have been told to work from home but most will ignore that! My local Tesco was like a Bank Holiday weekend today with people buying Booze and BBQ food. My own personal view is its pretty reckless to crowd onto a train unnecessarily but hey ho.
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Post by snowman on Jul 17, 2022 19:46:40 GMT
I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I totally agree, whenever there's an extreme weather event we don't seem to have the infrastructure to cope - be it for heavy snow, storms and heatwaves like we will experience tomorrow, when many other countries can. Some people may argue that hotter countries are used to dealing with it - true, but we've experienced days where temperatures have gone beyond 30 before yet the country seems to go into meltdown, same thing with snow and storms even before the country reached its current state of near-recession. It's also a shame that air conditioning wasn't thought of during the design process of trains (and some buses) until the 2000's. There must also be a good reason why none of London's buses apart from TA1 have been fitted with air conditioning, because buses tomorrow will be unbearable without it. Maybe it might be time for a rethink? Also, I wonder if TfL, or bus manufacturers have issued guidance to prevent buses from overheating, which could potentially result in a fire? I would assume that there is an increased risk of buses catching fire whilst out in service if they overheat, particularly battery powered hybrids and electrics. And we have seen quite a few Hybrids catching fire as of late, particularly in warm weather. Overheating only happens when stupid things have been done, eg using water to top up instead of coolant. The problem with water is it doesn’t prevent rust, creating particles, allows particles to block pipes, and stop thermostats from working due to them not being clean. It also allows gases to form (due to minerals reacting with the metal parts of system) creating airlocks in the pipe work. If this grot is allowed to form, can take a few very labour intensive flushes to get rid of it (so lazy depots don’t bother) and guess what, reduced cooling capacity isn’t great idea in hot weather. No European manufacturer (Volvo, Scania, Mercedes, Cummins etc) makes a UK spec engine with reduced cooling, they are designed to operate anywhere in Europe from Spain to Scandinavia. It would cost a fortune certifying variations so easier to make one size fits all. Therefore don’t think there would be any manufacturers guidance (other than service it properly and provide correct oils and fluids per service requirements). Fires will only happen if you bring flammable materials or fluids into hot surfaces, they are designed not to do this, so fires only happen when maintenance is sloppy eg : spilt hydraulic or brake fluids, leaky hoses that aren’t replaced, poorly attached parts that fall off and allow something in contact with hot surfaces, missing grommets that allow cables to chaff and spark etc. Fires in batteries happen when insulation fails, but a properly tested battery will show wrong test readings long before it fails, but again it is easy to skip things. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2022 19:52:44 GMT
I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I was under the impression in Spain most avoid going outside during the middle part of the day but never been and only going by reports on TV where people who live there was talking about coping with the heat.
As for time off work I think lots have been told to work from home but most will ignore that! My local Tesco was like a Bank Holiday weekend today with people buying Booze and BBQ food. My own personal view is its pretty reckless to crowd onto a train unnecessarily but hey ho.
I think your referring to siesta which means "an afternoon rest or nap, especially one taken during the hottest hours of the day in a hot climate" - basically, most shops shut down during a period in the afternoon when the sun is at it's hottest and use that time to take a nap before re-opening up later on. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 17, 2022 19:54:12 GMT
I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I was under the impression in Spain most avoid going outside during the middle part of the day but never been and only going by reports on TV where people who live there was talking about coping with the heat.
As for time off work I think lots have been told to work from home but most will ignore that! My local Tesco was like a Bank Holiday weekend today with people buying Booze and BBQ food. My own personal view is its pretty reckless to crowd onto a train unnecessarily but hey ho.
I believe in some places there's still a 'Siesta' period in the middle of the day, however I was in Barcelona a few weeks ago and it wasn't the case. I think a lot of it is more so the case for smaller areas. I've been in Dubai a few times in this level of heat too and people just go about like it's any normal day. I think the sad reality is the UK needs to start dealing with this, it's the first time this has probably happened but I don't think it'll be the last time either. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 17, 2022 21:34:52 GMT
I was under the impression in Spain most avoid going outside during the middle part of the day but never been and only going by reports on TV where people who live there was talking about coping with the heat.
As for time off work I think lots have been told to work from home but most will ignore that! My local Tesco was like a Bank Holiday weekend today with people buying Booze and BBQ food. My own personal view is its pretty reckless to crowd onto a train unnecessarily but hey ho.
I believe in some places there's still a 'Siesta' period in the middle of the day, however I was in Barcelona a few weeks ago and it wasn't the case. I think a lot of it is more so the case for smaller areas. I've been in Dubai a few times in this level of heat too and people just go about like it's any normal day. I think the sad reality is the UK needs to start dealing with this, it's the first time this has probably happened but I don't think it'll be the last time either. To be fair though 99% of the buildings in Dubai are air conditioned and there are a lot of interconnected underground malls between buildings so you don’t really have to go outside unless it’s absolutely necessary. Hong Kong is built in a similar way where a lot of the bayside Hong Kong Island is largely connected by covered walkways and underground air conditioned malls. |
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