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Post by SILENCED on Jul 17, 2022 22:41:33 GMT
I was under the impression in Spain most avoid going outside during the middle part of the day but never been and only going by reports on TV where people who live there was talking about coping with the heat.
As for time off work I think lots have been told to work from home but most will ignore that! My local Tesco was like a Bank Holiday weekend today with people buying Booze and BBQ food. My own personal view is its pretty reckless to crowd onto a train unnecessarily but hey ho.
I believe in some places there's still a 'Siesta' period in the middle of the day, however I was in Barcelona a few weeks ago and it wasn't the case. I think a lot of it is more so the case for smaller areas. I've been in Dubai a few times in this level of heat too and people just go about like it's any normal day. I think the sad reality is the UK needs to start dealing with this, it's the first time this has probably happened but I don't think it'll be the last time either. As I have mentioned many times before, a lot of London is not fit for the 21st century and needs to be replanned and rebuilt. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 17, 2022 22:46:02 GMT
A heat advisory has been issued for this week Of more interest to Londoners is that many weather models are predicting a hot plume hitting the SouthEast next weekend (16th-18th July) with some showing temperatures as hot as 40c whilst unlikely to get that hot, todays week ahead weather forecast with Daren Bett is showing London at 36c next weekend. Central London has lot of concrete that holds the heat, so nighttime temperatures might fall no lower than about 18c Hopefully garages are doing full maintenance and not putting buses in service without fully working air cooling systems TfL should dictate than any vehicles that have not had heating confirmed as off and all cooling systems operational should be band from the road. Any operator putting a non-conforming vehicle on the road should be severely fined. It is all well and good trying to save money, but skimping on any kind of maintenance should not be acceptable. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 3:41:12 GMT
If you are travelling by bus, particularly on Monday and Tuesday please be mindful that even with air cooling the cab of a bus can get extremely warm and the driver may need to stop the vehicle and seek a little respite for a few minutes - possibly even find a shop to buy some water. I have no doubt at all that there will be disruption to services due to drivers feeling unwell in the heat but we will all be trying our best to deliver the service I’m resting Sunday and Monday and am due to start just after 1pm on Tuesday so I’ll be going in at the hottest part of the day on what could possibly be the UK’s hottest ever day so that’s going to be pleasant. Shame I can’t work from home really 😉😉😉 On a serious note though, we are not equipped in this country and particularly in London, for heat of the expected magnitude. It sounds barmy but the guidelines being issued about staying inside, drinking plenty of water and using plenty of sunscreen if you do go out really need to be heeded. The red warning for extreme heat suggests a risk to life even for those who are fit and healthy. It’s a serious situation and needs to be treated as such. Stay safe Yes people tend to scoff at weather warnings (nanny state etc) but probably best to stay at home or at least not venture to far afield if you don't have to. Disruption on public transport is pretty much inevitable and the emergency services are going to be seriously stretched. Maybe because many other countries around the world have temperatures hitting 40 degrees C and higher and they just get on with it. There are many forms of public transport and building within the UK that has Air Con, so it is not the end of the world. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 3:47:57 GMT
Surely it’s up to people to decide what they think is best? This isn’t a lockdown situation - if Geoff decides to not go, that’s his decision and is entitled to it. Likewise, if others want to go out, that’s up to them and that’s their decision Not a lockdown situation but it’s very unusual and we have no idea how the infrastructure will cope. There are lots of comparisons online about other countries but the thing is they are used to the heat and how to manage it. Is it really too much to ask of people just to be sensible for a couple of days. Roads today are generally quieter so people are being sensible. This whole it’s peoples choice gets my back up! Let’s all just overload the NHS a bit more because it’s our right to go out in 40c heat. Personally I think the most dangerous place for the heat will be the tube. I hope they give out free water like in previous years. We do have the infrastructure to cope. If you compare it to many other countries that even have roasting drip sweating weather and no air con, but many of these trains have it. The Gospel Oak to Barking Line has air con; although no way near as icy as the Elizabeth line. The Central line would be a one-way ticket to hell, especially on the central section. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 3:59:30 GMT
I can see why people are divided, you're very right in the fact this country is different to others. However the flip side is if people in places like Madrid, Sydney, Barca, Dubai etc all manage fine in 40 degree heat walking about then in reality most people here will be fine in 40 degree heat too. The other issue though is the fact as you mention, infrastructure. Many places here do have A/C but not all of them. The tube is going to be a right disaster. Although it does irritate me that while I understand not building things to be adequate for 40 degree temperatures, that the infrastructure here seems to be unsuitable for anything. We can't manage during a storm, we can't manage during winter when everything freezes. I don't think many people plan to stay indoors tomorrow. TikTok is full of recommendations on how to spend your time outside during this time. Certainly would assume c2c, Thameslink and Greater Anglia will all be having a field day tomorrow with the fares that they're racking in. Especially as many people have been given the day off work and school. Those who are vulnerable to the heat, most of them know who they are already will probably be aware of the temperatures and advice in place. With the ever changing climate this really should be the wake up call to the government. Storm Eunice earlier this year reached havoc when it's not been the first massive storm we've had. Our infrastructure needs to be built to withstand any potential weather the UK will have to deal with. Risks of overhead wires melting should not be a problem in this day and age. I totally agree, whenever there's an extreme weather event we don't seem to have the infrastructure to cope - be it for heavy snow, storms and heatwaves like we will experience tomorrow, when many other countries can. Some people may argue that hotter countries are used to dealing with it - true, but we've experienced days where temperatures have gone beyond 30 before yet the country seems to go into meltdown, same thing with snow and storms even before the country reached its current state of near-recession. It's also a shame that air conditioning wasn't thought of during the design process of trains (and some buses) until the 2000's. There must also be a good reason why none of London's buses apart from TA1 have been fitted with air conditioning, because buses tomorrow will be unbearable without it. Maybe it might be time for a rethink? Also, I wonder if TfL, or bus manufacturers have issued guidance to prevent buses from overheating, which could potentially result in a fire? I would assume that there is an increased risk of buses catching fire whilst out in service if they overheat, particularly battery powered hybrids and electrics. And we have seen quite a few Hybrids catching fire as of late, particularly in warm weather. It is nothing more than penny pinching I am afraid. We were told that rubbish in the 80's and 90's and merits of not fitting air con and the crap of we only get 10 days of summer etc. Yet other countries which may have colder winters than us and not even anywhere as hot summers as we did fitted air con in public transport. Even still to make matters worse many buses that have had air cooling systems which works very similar to AC have not been re-gassed. To make matters worse operators are factoring money for this in tender renewals etc and it is not being done. So they are ripping off TfL and ultimately the tax payer. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 4:03:12 GMT
A heat advisory has been issued for this week Of more interest to Londoners is that many weather models are predicting a hot plume hitting the SouthEast next weekend (16th-18th July) with some showing temperatures as hot as 40c whilst unlikely to get that hot, todays week ahead weather forecast with Daren Bett is showing London at 36c next weekend. Central London has lot of concrete that holds the heat, so nighttime temperatures might fall no lower than about 18c Hopefully garages are doing full maintenance and not putting buses in service without fully working air cooling systems TfL should dictate than any vehicles that have not had heating confirmed as off and all cooling systems operational should be band from the road. Any operator putting a non-conforming vehicle on the road should be severely fined. It is all well and good trying to save money, but skimping on any kind of maintenance should not be acceptable. They (TfL) would rather have ISA, removing seats from buses where there is nothing in front of the rear bench seat; creating all kinds of pathetic safety specs, but nothing sensible when it comes to creature comforts; and then they wonder why people are deserting buses. You would be lucky if TfL banned buses of the road. The operators would claim cooling systems are operational as you mention, but would stop short of them being regassed with refrigerant. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 18, 2022 5:54:12 GMT
Yes people tend to scoff at weather warnings (nanny state etc) but probably best to stay at home or at least not venture to far afield if you don't have to. Disruption on public transport is pretty much inevitable and the emergency services are going to be seriously stretched. Maybe because many other countries around the world have temperatures hitting 40 degrees C and higher and they just get on with it. There are many forms of public transport and building within the UK that has Air Con, so it is not the end of the world. The people who scoff and just carry on regardless will no doubt expect the emergency services to come riding to their rescue if all goes wrong. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 18, 2022 7:10:01 GMT
LU sub-surface Lines down to 25mph across all areas, from first train today until last train Tuesday.
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 18, 2022 7:30:46 GMT
The Jubilee line is currently moving at Snails pace between Stratford and Canning Town.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 18, 2022 8:06:18 GMT
The Jubilee line is currently moving at Snails pace between Stratford and Canning Town. Hate that section trains crawl at the best of times approaching Stratford. Must be awful on a train in the blazing sun. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2022 9:24:05 GMT
Maybe because many other countries around the world have temperatures hitting 40 degrees C and higher and they just get on with it. There are many forms of public transport and building within the UK that has Air Con, so it is not the end of the world. The people who scoff and just carry on regardless will no doubt expect the emergency services to come riding to their rescue if all goes wrong. Well if you follow the advice given, then it really shouldn’t go wrong… |
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Post by VPL630 on Jul 18, 2022 12:34:17 GMT
C2C have standby buses just in case, I’m at Pitsea and currently enjoying the Air con in McDonald’s while my bus cooks in the sun but tbh it’s 34 out here, it’s hot but it doesn’t feel crazy hot, not 38 that’s for sure
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 13:08:44 GMT
Maybe because many other countries around the world have temperatures hitting 40 degrees C and higher and they just get on with it. There are many forms of public transport and building within the UK that has Air Con, so it is not the end of the world. The people who scoff and just carry on regardless will no doubt expect the emergency services to come riding to their rescue if all goes wrong. Seriously laughable. What would the emergency services do? I really do not understand the lock yourself away mentality, even the work from home, it is as though that everyone works 9-5 in an office. I would choose to IGNORE all nonsense advice. The same goes when we have a little bit of snow and they make it out as though we had a 6ft snowfall. Common sense is really not so common anymore unfortunately. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 18, 2022 13:11:37 GMT
LU sub-surface Lines down to 25mph across all areas, from first train today until last train Tuesday. Shocking, really do not understand the decision for this. After all in 2003 and 2018 when it went to 38 degrees they were still running normal speeds. Then they wonder why people do not bother with public transport. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 18, 2022 13:15:36 GMT
LU sub-surface Lines down to 25mph across all areas, from first train today until last train Tuesday. Shocking, really do not understand the decision for this. After all in 2003 and 2018 when it went to 38 degrees they were still running normal speeds. Then they wonder why people do not bother with public transport. I remember the summer of 2003! God was that a summer as was 2006. Must admit summers after that clearly became so drab after 2007 especially until 2012 & clearly in the years following 2007 people had forgotten how hot summer can be, wasn’t until 2018 when summers became hot again |
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