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Post by joefrombow on Jul 11, 2022 10:49:09 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809? |
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 11, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809?Just await route changes to split routes in two! |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 11, 2022 11:17:39 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809?Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn |
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 11, 2022 12:48:08 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809?Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn I assumed the government will compensate the companies to a degree otherwise as you say will make a lot of routes unviable as for the splitting of routes First , have done a lot of that recently with their "shuttles" in certain towns . |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2022 17:36:58 GMT
Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn I assumed the government will compensate the companies to a degree otherwise as you say will make a lot of routes unviable as for the splitting of routes First , have done a lot of that recently with their "shuttles" in certain towns . What, pay money out to worsen services 😂 |
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Post by busman on Jul 11, 2022 17:56:34 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809?Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn The flat rate fare is made possible through a taxpayer subsidy. If this gets more people on buses I welcome the idea. The issue with bus travel outside big cities is reliability (it’s not uncommon for an infrequent service or the last bus not to turn up) and also proximity to a bus stop within a safe and close enough walking distance. I’m not sure how much the scheme is costing, but if it anywhere near £700M a year, we will know what the government have done with the money that used to be sent to TfL each year. |
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Post by Dillon95 on Jul 11, 2022 18:15:37 GMT
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but outside of London from October there will be a £2 Flat fare for most local and regional services until March 2023 to help with rising fuel costs etc quite a remarkable thing for a conservative government to do quite impressive if it goes ahead www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bus-fares-cost-no-more-27442809?Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn That’s what I’m thinking. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 11, 2022 18:16:10 GMT
I assumed the government will compensate the companies to a degree otherwise as you say will make a lot of routes unviable as for the splitting of routes First , have done a lot of that recently with their "shuttles" in certain towns . What, pay money out to worsen services 😂 That is if they get fully compensated ... which I suspect they won't. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2022 18:36:38 GMT
What, pay money out to worsen services 😂 That is if they get fully compensated ... which I suspect they won't. Even if they are not fully compensated, it's still doing the thing I described - this government has already wasted a lot of money on stuff that either didn't work or didn't bother to claim back on so we can add this to the list if it's implemented. |
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 11, 2022 20:30:51 GMT
Could make some routes not commercially viable and therefore withdrawn The flat rate fare is made possible through a taxpayer subsidy. If this gets more people on buses I welcome the idea. The issue with bus travel outside big cities is reliability (it’s not uncommon for an infrequent service or the last bus not to turn up) and also proximity to a bus stop within a safe and close enough walking distance. I’m not sure how much the scheme is costing, but if it anywhere near £700M a year, we will know what the government have done with the money that used to be sent to TfL each year. I don't think most people realise how lucky we are in London , Bus services literally outside the M25 are normally terrible and stop after 6/7pm or are very limited and even worst the further from London you go outside of cities and there is quite little you can really do in the form of complain , So if your in a area where one major company operates most routes your screwed as they have basically no competition and it's all about profit .(Another thing to thank the Tories for 😉) Bus usage has been falling for a number of years and dropped of a cliff since covid in some places (Except Manchester) I quite often see people sharing articles about how in Germany you can travel on all trains cheaper with a €9 Railcard and I believe Luxembourg has and Malta will have a free public transport system soon , this isn't quite as good as that but it will make a big difference to a number of people with literally everything rising and if successful it may see usage go back up on a number of failing routes (And who knows could lead to us having a "buscard" of sorts or even free transport in an alternate reality 😂😉) |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2022 20:41:12 GMT
The flat rate fare is made possible through a taxpayer subsidy. If this gets more people on buses I welcome the idea. The issue with bus travel outside big cities is reliability (it’s not uncommon for an infrequent service or the last bus not to turn up) and also proximity to a bus stop within a safe and close enough walking distance. I’m not sure how much the scheme is costing, but if it anywhere near £700M a year, we will know what the government have done with the money that used to be sent to TfL each year. I don't think most people realise how lucky we are in London , Bus services literally outside the M25 are normally terrible and stop after 6/7pm or are very limited and even worst the further from London you go outside of cities and there is quite little you can really do in the form of complain , So if your in a area where one major company operates most routes your screwed as they have basically no competition and it's all about profit .(Another thing to thank the Tories for 😉) Bus usage has been falling for a number of years and dropped of a cliff since covid in some places (Except Manchester) I quite often see people sharing articles about how in Germany you can travel on all trains cheaper with a €9 Railcard and I believe Luxembourg has and Malta will have a free public transport system soon , this isn't quite as good as that but it will make a big difference to a number of people with literally everything rising and if successful it may see usage go back up on a number of failing routes (And who knows could lead to us having a "buscard" of sorts or even free transport in an alternate reality 😂😉) The difference is, despite many still refusing to accept this, is many of these places in Europe like Germany have heavily subsidised transport hence why they can do these sorts of things but here in the UK, people don't get that aspect and seem very estatic when it's based majorly or solely on revenue. The subsidy aspect worked in London and it's what now a number of areas are trying to in the UK - the trouble for them will be trying to make it work without a subsidy where very little will probably change and then they'll probably blame London again as is the fall back position for northern politicians |
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Post by Dillon95 on Jul 11, 2022 22:13:52 GMT
The flat rate fare is made possible through a taxpayer subsidy. If this gets more people on buses I welcome the idea. The issue with bus travel outside big cities is reliability (it’s not uncommon for an infrequent service or the last bus not to turn up) and also proximity to a bus stop within a safe and close enough walking distance. I’m not sure how much the scheme is costing, but if it anywhere near £700M a year, we will know what the government have done with the money that used to be sent to TfL each year. I don't think most people realise how lucky we are in London , Bus services literally outside the M25 are normally terrible and stop after 6/7pm or are very limited and even worst the further from London you go outside of cities and there is quite little you can really do in the form of complain , So if your in a area where one major company operates most routes your screwed as they have basically no competition and it's all about profit .(Another thing to thank the Tories for 😉) Bus usage has been falling for a number of years and dropped of a cliff since covid in some places (Except Manchester) I quite often see people sharing articles about how in Germany you can travel on all trains cheaper with a €9 Railcard and I believe Luxembourg has and Malta will have a free public transport system soon , this isn't quite as good as that but it will make a big difference to a number of people with literally everything rising and if successful it may see usage go back up on a number of failing routes (And who knows could lead to us having a "buscard" of sorts or even free transport in an alternate reality 😂😉) I’ll never live outside of TFL territory, not unless I decide to learn to drive. We were thinking of moving to Maidstone because it’s so much cheaper to rent there compared to the London suburbs. But it’s pointless because the buses are crap and are so much more expensive. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 18, 2022 15:15:28 GMT
Regardless of the Government's proposed £2 maximum single fare, the Metro Mayors of Liverpool City Region, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire have all pledged that they will introduce a maximum single fare of £2 for adults and £1 for children. Liverpool City Region will use most of its £12m Bus Service Improvement Plan allocation to fund the fare cap. It is hoped that the cap can be introduced to coincide with service changes due in September, including in the Halton area, and the Region will also abolish the fare premium for journeys through the Mersey Tunnels.
Greater Manchester is also aiming to introduce its fare cap in September, as well as a day ticket for £5 (a current all-operator bus day ticket is currently £6.40). It is unlikely that Metrolink Trams will be included in any reductions. The estimated cost is £25m which will come from Greater Manchester's £94m BSIP allocation. The scheme will be reviewed after a year to better understand and forecast the ongoing costs of operating the network against future demand and revenue.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 3, 2022 7:41:00 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 3, 2022 15:41:53 GMT
Yes, not quite the six months that was originally billed |
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