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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2024 7:25:08 GMT
Labour are doing a pretty great job digging this country into a mass grave, we don’t need Reform to finish the job. I stand by my pledge during the election that this government won’t last the full 5 years. We were already in a mass grave before Labour took over - if Reform got in, I stand by my original comment and this country would end up a cesspit of racism and division as bad as the 70's Labour aren’t really doing much to fill in that hole, it’s just another corrupt government full of sleazy MPs. The budget will be the death of all of us, particularly those of us on middle incomes. Reeves is coming for our money and savings, Rayner is coming for the single occupancy and Starmer is just coming for a new wardrobe 😂. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 17, 2024 7:50:29 GMT
We were already in a mass grave before Labour took over - if Reform got in, I stand by my original comment and this country would end up a cesspit of racism and division as bad as the 70's Labour aren’t really doing much to fill in that hole, it’s just another corrupt government full of sleazy MPs. The budget will be the death of all of us, particularly those of us on middle incomes. Reeves is coming for our money and savings, Rayner is coming for the single occupancy and Starmer is just coming for a new wardrobe 😂. And this is the best option we had. I dread to think what the Conservatives would have attempted to do in order to get us out of this mess. It's probably a good thing they're a relatively small party now. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2024 7:52:25 GMT
Labour aren’t really doing much to fill in that hole, it’s just another corrupt government full of sleazy MPs. The budget will be the death of all of us, particularly those of us on middle incomes. Reeves is coming for our money and savings, Rayner is coming for the single occupancy and Starmer is just coming for a new wardrobe 😂. And this is the best option we had. I dread to think what the Conservatives would have attempted to do in order to get us out of this mess. It's probably a good thing they're a relatively small party now. At this rate they’ll be back in five years but in a coalition with Reform. Honestly don’t know how a new government f**ks up so badly in 2 months. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 17, 2024 7:53:42 GMT
And this is the best option we had. I dread to think what the Conservatives would have attempted to do in order to get us out of this mess. It's probably a good thing they're a relatively small party now. At this rate they’ll be back in five years but in a coalition with Reform. Honestly don’t know how a new government f**ks up so badly in 2 months. You'd surely need to ask Boris that question? Seeing as he managed to do that, then squandered one of their largest majorities so badly within a single term? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2024 7:58:59 GMT
At this rate they’ll be back in five years but in a coalition with Reform. Honestly don’t know how a new government f**ks up so badly in 2 months. You'd surely need to ask Boris that question? Seeing as he managed to do that, then squandered one of their largest majorities so badly within a single term? I draw lines under each different leadership and this whole focus on “the last government” just doesn’t do anything but give justification for the newest government to be terrible. If Labour had the balls to do so they would do the same but instead there is just a whataboutism lingering like a dead fish smell over Westminster. Johnson was first PM over 5 years ago, time to let it go. Focus on what is happening now and not then, you’ll feel a lot better. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 17, 2024 8:04:34 GMT
You'd surely need to ask Boris that question? Seeing as he managed to do that, then squandered one of their largest majorities so badly within a single term? I draw lines under each different leadership and this whole focus on “the last government” just doesn’t do anything but give justification for the newest government to be terrible. If Labour had the balls to do so they would do the same but instead there is just a whataboutism lingering like a dead fish smell over Westminster. Johnson was first PM over 5 years ago, time to let it go. Focus on what is happening now and not then, you’ll feel a lot better. How can you let it go when he was the PM that got us into this mess? The government has to make difficult decisions because of his actions, and also that of his successor. Rishi while completely inept for the job did try to have a cracking at it, but by this point the Tories had proved very clearly they were unfit to govern. I also am not sure why you keep referring to middle earners? The average wage at the moment is around 34K and as far as I'm aware these middle earners aren't being attacked surely? People that are probably around 70K plus should surely have their burdens increased as they're effectively higher earners. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2024 8:09:44 GMT
I draw lines under each different leadership and this whole focus on “the last government” just doesn’t do anything but give justification for the newest government to be terrible. If Labour had the balls to do so they would do the same but instead there is just a whataboutism lingering like a dead fish smell over Westminster. Johnson was first PM over 5 years ago, time to let it go. Focus on what is happening now and not then, you’ll feel a lot better. How can you let it go when he was the PM that got us into this mess? The government has to make difficult decisions because of his actions, and also that of his successor. Rishi while completely inept for the job did try to have a cracking at it, but by this point the Tories had proved very clearly they were unfit to govern. I also am not sure why you keep referring to middle earners? The average wage at the moment is around 34K and as far as I'm aware these middle earners aren't being attacked surely? People that are probably around 70K plus should surely have their burdens increased as they're effectively higher earners. I understand that but they shouldn’t be announcing controversial policies like £11bn for climate change elsewhere and billions for Ukraine whilst telling us all to expect difficult times, that money should be spent here on the UK. As for the middle earner, we are often the ones left out of government announcements whilst simultaneously being hit the hardest with tax raises and cuts to services. Too poor to hide our money, too rich to claim more than basic benefits. Some of us get nothing as we are single, childless and don’t factor into government decision. It isn’t just this one but every single government. |
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Post by allentc on Sept 17, 2024 10:53:21 GMT
I understand that but they shouldn’t be announcing controversial policies like £11bn for climate change elsewhere and billions for Ukraine whilst telling us all to expect difficult times, that money should be spent here on the UK. Too right! Rather than cut foreign aid or as you say money to Ukraine or international climate change policies instead the first cut is to the winter fuel allowance ensuring that our own vulnerable elderly suffer this winter. Absolutely disgusting and they call the Conservatives "the nasty party"! Our basic state pension is amongst the very lowest in Western Europe so its not like our pensioners are rolling in money already. Those a few pounds over the pension credit threshold lose out entirely. Politicians seem to forget they are meant to be working for us not other countries abroad. But I see there is plenty of money available for the junior doctors and to house those in rubber dinghies coming across but no money for the winter fuel allowance.
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Post by allentc on Sept 17, 2024 11:02:50 GMT
As for the middle earner, we are often the ones left out of government announcements whilst simultaneously being hit the hardest with tax raises and cuts to services. Too poor to hide our money, too rich to claim more than basic benefits. Some of us get nothing as we are single, childless and don’t factor into government decision. It isn’t just this one but every single government. Labour spent 14 years in opposition incessantly bleating on about tax loopholes and millionaries/billionaires "not paying their fair share". Over that period they had ample time to examine all the loopholes and come up with ways to close them ready to enact when elected. So rather than announce immediately they are closing such loopholes the first thing they take aim at is removing the winter fuel allowance from the poorest and most needy in society, those who are scraping by on a £12k a year basic state pension. Let's see if New Old Labour close those tax loopholes they have long gone on about...
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Post by allentc on Sept 17, 2024 11:32:06 GMT
We were already in a mass grave before Labour took over - if Reform got in, I stand by my original comment and this country would end up a cesspit of racism and division as bad as the 70's Racism exists on both sides. Not that long ago that Labour had a serious problem with antisemitism after being hijacked by the far left
By the way, the likes of Momentum and the Corbynites haven't gone away. They are still very much there in the background just that Keir has so far managed to keep a lid on them for now but they'll be ready to emerge when he shows signs of weakness.
The race card is a favoured political tactic used by the left which guess what, sows division pitting one group of people against and another
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 17, 2024 22:09:14 GMT
As for the middle earner, we are often the ones left out of government announcements whilst simultaneously being hit the hardest with tax raises and cuts to services. Too poor to hide our money, too rich to claim more than basic benefits. Some of us get nothing as we are single, childless and don’t factor into government decision. It isn’t just this one but every single government. Labour spent 14 years in opposition incessantly bleating on about tax loopholes and millionaries/billionaires "not paying their fair share". Over that period they had ample time to examine all the loopholes and come up with ways to close them ready to enact when elected. So rather than announce immediately they are closing such loopholes the first thing they take aim at is removing the winter fuel allowance from the poorest and most needy in society, those who are scraping by on a £12k a year basic state pension. Let's see if New Old Labour close those tax loopholes they have long gone on about...
Unless you incorrectly worded the last bit, there is absolutely no way this government has anything to do with Old Labour. Corbyn, since Foot, is the closest leader the Labour Party has had to anything remotely old Labour. This government I wouldn't even compare to Blair or Brown, at least they had a plan. This is Sunakism 2.0.
This neo-liberal way of thinking is clearly unpopular amongst the electorate and Starmer, as has been pointed out, got 600k fewer votes than Corbyn in 2019 but yet got double the seats. People were excited about Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. They are not excited about Keir Starmer.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 18, 2024 10:02:31 GMT
Diane Abbott: Starmer treated me as a 'non-person'Labour MP Diane Abbott has accused Sir Keir Starmer of treating her as a "non-person" during the row over racist comments made about her by a Tory donor.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05gg2v5p98oDrink-drive council boss banned after crashThe former boss of a south London council has been disqualified from driving for two years and ordered to complete 150 hours of unpaid work after he admitted drink and driving, failing to stop after a car crash and driving without insurance.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5ee7n94deo
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 18, 2024 10:06:41 GMT
Diane Abbott: Starmer treated me as a 'non-person'Labour MP Diane Abbott has accused Sir Keir Starmer of treating her as a "non-person" during the row over racist comments made about her by a Tory donor.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05gg2v5p98oDrink-drive council boss banned after crashThe former boss of a south London council has been disqualified from driving for two years and ordered to complete 150 hours of unpaid work after he admitted drink and driving, failing to stop after a car crash and driving without insurance.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5ee7n94deo Ironic it was the leader of a council that preaches all driving is bad. Well not all drivers drive or behave to then same standards as council leaders, and policies should be made around the former and not latter |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 19, 2024 0:40:02 GMT
Keir Starmer's top aide Sue Gray paid more than the PMSir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff received a pay rise after the election which means she is now paid more than the prime minister.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx247wkq137o
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Post by busman on Sept 19, 2024 8:50:17 GMT
The UK press is wild. Social media and the press has everyone expecting instant results. We’re living in the microwave ere, where people want instant gratification and to heck with the consequences. In the same breath as it’s absolute stupidity to expect the benefits of Brexit to be realised in the short term, it’s absolute stupidity to expect all the country’s problems to be solved by a new government after only a few weeks. Take a deep breath, step back from the hysteria and realise that this is bonkers. This is the reason why neither party felt they could be honest about the tough decisions that lay in store was because of the press, populists and online cranks who would simply shout loudly until their garbage became accepted as truth by enough people. We’re seeing the reasons why Sunak called an early election. He did it before these hard choices had to be made. We now see he was absolutely right to call the election when he did.
I honestly don’t care that Sue Gray is paid £3k more than the PM. The PM is actually paid quite modestly compared to private sector jobs considering the responsibility they bear and the nonsense they have to endure. It’s a non-story. Focus on what Labour is (or isn’t) doing today to make the UK better in 1, 3, 5 and 10 years time.
* Housing supply - how and when will it increase the shortage of housing stock in both the private and social sectors to meet demand?
* Immigration - No to Rwanda. OK, so now what? People coming over on small boats are passing through many safe countries before they get on those boats. The generosity of the British public is being exploited by people coming here illegally. Not just the gangs. The gangs would have no business model unless people wanted to come here. Get tough on gangs, but what about the people who come here. Legal refugees and economic migrants are not an issue. People coming to the UK illegally then claiming asylum is wrong when they could claim asylum in Spain, Italy, Portugal, Eastern Europe etc.
*Brexit - What are they doing to make the UK an economic powerhouse of tomorrow? A chosen place for international businesses to start operations, a place where UK entrepreneurs can create startups, an economy that generates jobs?
*Ukraine - Do we really want to get into a proxy war with Russia when our armed forces are not capable of defending against retaliation? All those billions being poured for the foreseeable future into delaying the inevitable. What’s the endgame?
That’s not even touching on public sector services which have been decimated by FOURTEEN YEARS of neglect. The first few years of this government is going to be focused on fixing broken stuff rather than building new stuff. But so they don’t slip into another austerity death spiral, we should ensure they don’t drop their focus on the building part.
It’s an absolute joke to read the UK media right now. It feels like they want to destabilise the country and would delight to see the government fail and collapse.
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