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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2024 17:13:57 GMT
Which begs the question as to where this 8% increase in passengers has come from? Largely from other bus routes I suspect, there certainly seems to be no drop in traffic congestion since Superloop started. If you read the report matthieu1221 posted a few days it shows that many of the corridors have also increased in patronage. The SL7 corridor, which I use the most, shows a 21% increase which does match my experiences. The 213 certainly doesn’t fee any quieter in the peaks.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 8, 2024 16:38:55 GMT
Some interesting stats also regarding bus route performances. SL1, SL5 and SL10 seem to be among the most reliable routes. The SL2 seems to have shown unreliability, however is now on the up and the route met its performance targets between April and May. The SL3 seems to be in a similar boat but there seems to also be specific mention about the state of the vehicles on the route and the challenges presented by these (what did RATP do to these buses?) The SL6, SL7, SL8 and SL9 seem to be suffering reliability issues, they mention the SL7 should be helped by the impending cut as it's not very easy to run a route that is this long. SL3 has been much improved in recent weeks : Stagecoach seem to have got on top of the maintenance of the ex. RATP LT1xx New Routemasters.
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Post by Paul on Jul 9, 2024 8:06:06 GMT
SL3 has been much improved in recent weeks : Stagecoach seem to have got on top of the maintenance of the ex. RATP LT1xx New Routemasters. I made the mistake of mentioning to one of our Garage Supervisors that ‘normal’ buses were becoming rarer sights on the SL3 and that reliability of the LTs must be improving. He did say that we’ve been able to get parts that were previously unavailable but since that conversation I’ve had a couple of failures and I’ve seen at least two LTs being towed in. But yes, things are certainly improving reliability-wise - not that they could have been much worse!
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Post by Paul on Jul 9, 2024 19:14:00 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 9, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
I wonder if it will just result in a few yellow boxes placed in random locations like what they did on the SL2. I can't think of anywhere on the route suitable for a bus lane either. It will be interesting to look at the figures of usage as time goes on and if possible even if a breakdown of where the busiest location on all the Superloop routes are.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2024 20:27:54 GMT
I wonder if it will just result in a few yellow boxes placed in random locations like what they did on the SL2. I can't think of anywhere on the route suitable for a bus lane either. It will be interesting to look at the figures of usage as time goes on and if possible even if a breakdown of where the busiest location on all the Superloop routes are. SL3 I'd definitely say would be Bexleyheath to Abbey wood the busiest section.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2024 21:55:41 GMT
I wonder if it will just result in a few yellow boxes placed in random locations like what they did on the SL2. I can't think of anywhere on the route suitable for a bus lane either. It will be interesting to look at the figures of usage as time goes on and if possible even if a breakdown of where the busiest location on all the Superloop routes are. SL3 I'd definitely say would be Bexleyheath to Abbey wood the busiest section. When I did my only trip on the SL3, it was very quiet from Thamesmead to Abbey Wood, then we picked up a large load there and then remained busy pretty much throughout. We emptied a bit at Sidcup though that might of been due to the congestion and diversion that day following an incident involving a R11.
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Post by PGAT on Jul 9, 2024 22:37:00 GMT
Interesting the link also mentions widening Knee Hill, probably one of the only changes that would have a meaningful impact but will never happen in a million years!
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 10, 2024 0:02:39 GMT
Thanks for posting this. The Cycle Lanes on Albion Road are barely used so no idea what the council are complaining about. It’s about time Knee Hill is widened. Too many buses going down New Road now… Bridgen Road all they have to do is remove the island. Recently the island at the top of Wells Park Road was removed it makes turning right into that road so much easier. Some traffic islands are actually pointless especially if there is no crossing. Unfortunately they missed out the most important thing to use Hurst Road instead of Faraday Avenue the easiest thing to implement!
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 10, 2024 7:02:40 GMT
Based on the recent TfL Board paper they are looking at all the SuperLoop routes and ways to improve them but good to see this is well underway. The list that was linked in the article seems a condensed version for the attention of Bexley particularly and I suspect the rest of the proposals that are not there e.g. BP16 are in an appendix for Bromley council, although not sure what major changes can be done south of Sidcup. Traffic island in the middle of traffic light crossings is a nonsense, particularly when the road is not wide and you dont have traffic islands in the other crossings of the junction. That one should be removed. Plus, if I was Bexley I would not make any decisions and firstly take the 10k and say yes we will have a look into these suggestions... I know SL1 and SL2 a bit better and will share my suggestions for those routes when I get a chance.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 10, 2024 7:41:17 GMT
Thanks for posting this. The Cycle Lanes on Albion Road are barely used so no idea what the council are complaining about. It’s about time Knee Hill is widened. Too many buses going down New Road now… Bridgen Road all they have to do is remove the island. Recently the island at the top of Wells Park Road was removed it makes turning right into that road so much easier. Some traffic islands are actually pointless especially if there is no crossing. Unfortunately they missed out the most important thing to use Hurst Road instead of Faraday Avenue the easiest thing to implement! Off topic, but I would now send the B11 via McLeod Road and Bostall Hill to line of route - would give a few new links and would take a route out of New Road.
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Post by Paul on Jul 10, 2024 8:06:14 GMT
The list that was linked in the article seems a condensed version for the attention of Bexley particularly and I suspect the rest of the proposals that are not there e.g. BP16 are in an appendix for Bromley council, although not sure what major changes can be done south of Sidcup There is little scope for changes south of Sidcup. There is already a bus lane at the end of Widmore Road and Bickley Park Road is generally wide enough for traffic to flow freely. There is also little chance of Bromley Council taking a bulldozer to a number of trees along Chislehurst Common in order to widen that road! However, for a long, long time I’ve wondered if something could be done at the junction of Bromley Road, Old Hill, Watts Lane and Prince Imperial Road. This is a massively busy junction and can tail back at any time of the day. I’m not sure there’s space for a much bigger roundabout encompassing all the roads but in an ideal world there would be something there to improve on the tailbacks we get at the moment
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Post by TB123 on Jul 10, 2024 8:06:27 GMT
Being pedantic I think 75% Bromley and Chislehurst CON Old Bexley and Sidcup CON Bexleyheath and Crayford CON Erith and Thamesmead LAB To be even more pedantic, depending when the election is (if it is May as seems likely) most of the SL3s contract lifespan will actually entail it serving 5 constituencies, 80% of which are notionally Tory! As all of the parliamentary boundaries are being redrawn for the 2024 election with London going from 73 to 75 MPs. Bromley & Biggin Hill (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Eltham & Chislehurst (notionally marginal Tory in 2019) Old Bexley & Sidcup (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Bexleyheath & Crayford (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Erith & Thamesmead (notionally safe Labour in 2019) The SL4 and SL9 are therefore atm the only Superloop routes not to run through any Tory constituencies on paper. Every other runs through at least 1, or in the case of the SL3,7 & 10, up to 3. SL1 - Finchley & Golders Green SL2 - Chingford & Woodford Green SL3 - Bromley & Chislehurst, Old Bexley & Sidcup, Bexleyheath & Crayford SL5 - Beckenham, Bromley & Chislehurst SL6 - Cities of London & Westminster SL7 - Croydon South, Carshalton & Wallington, Sutton & Cheam SL8 - Uxbridge & South Ruislip SL10 - Harrow East, Hendon, Finchley & Golders Green Just coming back to this old post: The SL4 and SL9 were previously the only Superloop routes not to run through any Tory constituencies. Every other previously ran through at least 1, or in the case of the SL3, SL7 and SL10, up to 3. The SL4 and SL9 are now joined by the SL1, SL6, SL7 (following boundary changes) and SL8 in being 'Tory-free' Superloop routes. Superloop routes serving Tory constituencies: SL2 - Chingford & Woodford Green SL3 - Bromley & Biggin Hill, Old Bexley & Sidcup SL5 - Bromley & Biggin Hill, Croydon South (towards Croydon only!) SL10 - Harrow East
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Post by TB123 on Jul 10, 2024 8:08:34 GMT
Some good proposals in there, especially for widing Knee Hill. It's disappointing that Tory-run Bexley Council, having spend tens of thousands in taxpayer money taking Sadiq to court about ULEZ 'because there wasn't enough transport alternatives for the area' are now opposing making those very alternatives better.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 10, 2024 8:13:58 GMT
I would think moving the traffic island to allow the right turn from Arbuthnot Lane into Bridgen Road would seem relatively simple but I don't think moving stops to Albion Road would be well received and I don't think widening Knee Hill is likely to happen. Could avoid Bexleyheath town centre completely by going via Danson Road but that would probably be counter productive. An even more radical idea would be to reroute it via Catford Lewisham Blackheath and Woolwich?
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