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Post by greenboy on May 28, 2023 14:03:49 GMT
Sorry but you're talking a load of rubbish. Some people may not be able to afford a car or prefer public transport. 95% of Londoners wouldn't bat an eyelid about Ride London and unfortunately there's people like you spouting crap about cyclists and cycle events. I don't want an increase in cars on the road and I'm sure you'd feel the same. It's one day of disruption only! Cycling infrastructure, the way it's done in this country does an amazing job of inconveniencing everyone else. While I don't think today's event will cause people to rush out and buy a car, it will almost certainly result in an increase in car traffic where existing car owners may have considered getting public transport, but didn't. It's little things like this which add up. Until the day that cycling is actually put on the back burner and public transport is what is prioritised is the day where we will start to have a functioning transport network. Cycling does nothing to bring in money to fund the infrastructure, however it does an amazing job of driving people away from the things that do. This country doesn't have any set cycling standards and it has to be said the vast majority of cyclists are completely unaware of any rules of the road and are often far worse than any motor driver. You'll have a long wait for cycling to be put on any back burner, it's being actively encouraged both here and in other countries. A lot of people have an equally negative view about bus lanes.
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2023 14:04:56 GMT
Absolutely fuming! 55mins from A13 Prince Regent Lane to Beckton ASDA! I really don’t know why they are event attempting to run buses in the local area they are all stuck or curtailed.
Yes it’s one day but it’s a bloody pain the rear!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2023 14:05:48 GMT
Cycling infrastructure, the way it's done in this country does an amazing job of inconveniencing everyone else. While I don't think today's event will cause people to rush out and buy a car, it will almost certainly result in an increase in car traffic where existing car owners may have considered getting public transport, but didn't. It's little things like this which add up. Until the day that cycling is actually put on the back burner and public transport is what is prioritised is the day where we will start to have a functioning transport network. Cycling does nothing to bring in money to fund the infrastructure, however it does an amazing job of driving people away from the things that do. This country doesn't have any set cycling standards and it has to be said the vast majority of cyclists are completely unaware of any rules of the road and are often far worse than any motor driver. You'll have a long wait for cycling to be put on any back burner, it's being actively encouraged both here and in other countries. A lot of people have an equally negative view about bus lanes. Other countries such as Holland have done a good job making cycling work alongside other modes of transport. Also do have places such as Dubai and Doha who promote public transport, but discourage cycling due to the disruption they'd cause to the efficient road networks in the area.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 28, 2023 14:08:02 GMT
Can you support your 95% figure with evidence? You can’t just give a random figure. Outside of the forum no one I have spoken to has said anything good or bad about Ride London. And that includes multiple train journeys in the past 2-3 weeks. People are much more concerned about other things I’m totally with you re your opinion on RideLondon, northlondon83 , but you have to be ever so careful with quoting numbers - they will, and in this case have, been used as a rod to proverbially hit you with. I can’t prove how many people are happy or not with the event. I can only go anecdotally, which suggests to me that with the running events more associated with South East London, that my view is not as prevalent as I would like it to be.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 28, 2023 14:10:32 GMT
Absolutely fuming! 55mins from A13 Prince Regent Lane to Beckton ASDA! I really don’t know why they are event attempting to run buses in the local area they are all stuck or curtailed. Yes it’s one day but it’s a bloody pain the rear! Not getting at you at all, but did you have to travel today - could your journey have been done yesterday or tomorrow? Or by other rail based means?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2023 15:00:00 GMT
Absolutely fuming! 55mins from A13 Prince Regent Lane to Beckton ASDA! I really don’t know why they are event attempting to run buses in the local area they are all stuck or curtailed. Yes it’s one day but it’s a bloody pain the rear! Not getting at you at all, but did you have to travel today - could your journey have been done yesterday or tomorrow? Or by other rail based means? And this is the issue, people should be able to travel when they want and where they want without any disruption.
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Post by northlondon83 on May 28, 2023 15:23:07 GMT
Outside of the forum no one I have spoken to has said anything good or bad about Ride London. And that includes multiple train journeys in the past 2-3 weeks. People are much more concerned about other things Living among all the disruption I've heard many people say bad things about it. You're an East Londoner so you're more likely to come across people who dislike Ride London. Most of my tube journeys are in South and West London so I haven't really come across anyone who is bothered about Ride London. It's not really a typical conversation to have on the tube
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2023 15:23:51 GMT
Living among all the disruption I've heard many people say bad things about it. You're an East Londoners so you're more likely to come across people who dislike Ride London. Most of my tube journeys are in South and West London so I haven't really come across anyone who is bothered about Ride London. It's not really a typical conversation to have on the tube How can you be so sure on 95% of people not having an issue then if you're talking about people nowhere near the event?
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Post by northlondon83 on May 28, 2023 15:25:47 GMT
Outside of the forum no one I have spoken to has said anything good or bad about Ride London. And that includes multiple train journeys in the past 2-3 weeks. People are much more concerned about other things I’m totally with you re your opinion on RideLondon, northlondon83 , but you have to be ever so careful with quoting numbers - they will, and in this case have, been used as a rod to proverbially hit you with. I can’t prove how many people are happy or not with the event. I can only go anecdotally, which suggests to me that with the running events more associated with South East London, that my view is not as prevalent as I would like it to be. Yeah you're right about the number thing and I'll be honest I made that statistic up. However there will always be three groups of people: those that dislike Ride London, those who are neutral about it and those that support it
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Post by northlondon83 on May 28, 2023 15:27:17 GMT
Not getting at you at all, but did you have to travel today - could your journey have been done yesterday or tomorrow? Or by other rail based means? And this is the issue, people should be able to travel when they want and where they want without any disruption. I am sure there are Rail and tube options for most. Unfortunately some areas in East London so not have a tube or rail station nearby
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Post by southlondon413 on May 28, 2023 16:06:19 GMT
I’m totally with you re your opinion on RideLondon, northlondon83 , but you have to be ever so careful with quoting numbers - they will, and in this case have, been used as a rod to proverbially hit you with. I can’t prove how many people are happy or not with the event. I can only go anecdotally, which suggests to me that with the running events more associated with South East London, that my view is not as prevalent as I would like it to be. Yeah you're right about the number thing and I'll be honest I made that statistic up. However there will always be three groups of people: those that dislike Ride London, those who are neutral about it and those that support it The fact that it was entirely broadcast on BBC Two when in the past parts were shown on BBC One and the frankly abysmal numbers of spectators shows me how the event is viewed.
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2023 16:09:15 GMT
Not getting at you at all, but did you have to travel today - could your journey have been done yesterday or tomorrow? Or by other rail based means? And this is the issue, people should be able to travel when they want and where they want without any disruption. Its an absolute joke today! In all around 80 mins from home to Beckton and back is an absolute joke, looking out of my window it’s come to a complete standstill, the biggest problem is cars have come off the A13 thinking they can get back on further down but can’t as all local roads are closed so it’s a endless cycle of congestion. Never seen so many people waiting at bus stops it’s unreal. This even is way more disruptive than other such as the marathon or the London triathlon.
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2023 17:01:26 GMT
I appreciate I have said a lot on this but just witnessed the fire brigade abandoned their fire engine and walk to an emergency with a fire extinguisher as the road was totally blocked. There was also an ambulance but not sure if they were attempting to get to the same emergency.
A lot of today’s disruptions could have been avoided if there was better signage and clear communication about which roads are closed. It would also have helped to have assistance at flash points to stop cars blocking junctions meaning things come to a standstill.
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Post by northlondon83 on May 28, 2023 17:17:17 GMT
I appreciate I have said a lot on this but just witnessed the fire brigade abandoned their fire engine and walk to an emergency with a fire extinguisher as the road was totally blocked. There was also an ambulance but not sure if they were attempting to get to the same emergency. A lot of today’s disruptions could have been avoided if there was better signage and clear communication about which roads are closed. It would also have helped to have assistance at flash points to stop cars blocking junctions meaning things come to a standstill. Whilst I have been pro Ride London I will say something - clashing with the cricket at Oval is a bad idea. There will be heaps of people traveling on the SWR from Vauxhall including cyclists. Then you've also got a few Premier League games today in London. Perhaps Ride London could be scheduled to not clash with other sporting events
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Post by ronnie on May 28, 2023 17:57:06 GMT
Living among all the disruption I've heard many people say bad things about it. You're an East Londoner so you're more likely to come across people who dislike Ride London. Most of my tube journeys are in South and West London so I haven't really come across anyone who is bothered about Ride London. It's not really a typical conversation to have on the tube Well then your stats don’t make logical sense to the discussion here, no? Asking people in west London who are 0 impacted by ride London and then essentially making up stuff that “95% of people are supportive of ride London” is as correct as sadiq khan’s ULEZ stats / BoJo’s defence of his covid parties. As I have said a few times, let ride London, marathon (which I support by the way), big half and a few other events be plonked on your doorstep every few weeks and then we shall see. I am digressing but it’s the same condescending thematic on bus cuts - whenever an east London route is cut people are told to “live on with it” while every route in north / west London has to be saved because of history or a half mile unique stretch! Places like wapping / Isle of Dogs essentially get cut off in these events
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