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Post by greenboy on Jul 30, 2023 18:18:46 GMT
No doubt in the Tory voting boroughs that’s true but it’s hard to say for sure in more Labour run areas like Ealing, Waltham Forest & Barking & Dagenham - time will tell but I’m not expecting him to be voted out because of the huge backing he has here in Inner London The way I'm see it if Khan gets in again he will see it as support for his pay per mile scheme. He has got the cameras in now, it won't cost much. As soon as he mentions that, I am out of London. If anyone stands a chance of ousting Khan, I will use my vote tactically, otherwise I will find the candidate I can most allign with, which is usually an independent who stands zero chance of getting in. ULEZ is predicted that it will be unprofitable by 2026, the ultimate aim of ULEZ is to get the infrastructure to provide TfL with a steady lasting income stream. The man will destroy London's reputation as a globally important city. I don't know about having the cameras, no sooner they're installed in Bromley and they are being vandalised or totally removed and the police don't seem to be having much luck catching the perpetrators. But you're spot on, ULEZ won't be profitable for long and the ultimate aim is pay per mile and even staunch Labour voters are becoming concerned and Keir Starmer really does need to decide which side of the fence he's on. |
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Post by ronnie on Jul 30, 2023 20:08:05 GMT
The way I'm see it if Khan gets in again he will see it as support for his pay per mile scheme. He has got the cameras in now, it won't cost much. As soon as he mentions that, I am out of London. If anyone stands a chance of ousting Khan, I will use my vote tactically, otherwise I will find the candidate I can most allign with, which is usually an independent who stands zero chance of getting in. ULEZ is predicted that it will be unprofitable by 2026, the ultimate aim of ULEZ is to get the infrastructure to provide TfL with a steady lasting income stream. The man will destroy London's reputation as a globally important city. I don't know about having the cameras, no sooner they're installed in Bromley and they are being vandalised or totally removed and the police don't seem to be having much luck catching the perpetrators. But you're spot on, ULEZ won't be profitable for long and the ultimate aim is pay per mile and even staunch Labour voters are becoming concerned and Keir Starmer really does need to decide which side of the fence he's on. One thing is set in stone in my mind. Whomsoever tries to do a pay per mile will NOT get my vote. If sadiq khan tries pay per mile that will be the end of him. Even staunch labour voters will be put off! |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2023 23:17:22 GMT
I don't know about having the cameras, no sooner they're installed in Bromley and they are being vandalised or totally removed and the police don't seem to be having much luck catching the perpetrators. But you're spot on, ULEZ won't be profitable for long and the ultimate aim is pay per mile and even staunch Labour voters are becoming concerned and Keir Starmer really does need to decide which side of the fence he's on. One thing is set in stone in my mind. Whomsoever tries to do a pay per mile will NOT get my vote. If sadiq khan tries pay per mile that will be the end of him. Even staunch labour voters will be put off! I don't think it's that clear cut - as I said, Inner London voters are mostly unaffected by the ULEZ extension bar those who live in certain parts of Inner London beyond the South Circular and despite that, I don't think his vote will be affected much in the majority of Inner London due to the number of safe Labour areas - roughly 95% of Lambeth won't vote a Tory in and I'm sure it's a similar situation in Lewisham, Southwark, Islington, Camden etc. These areas are also more populous as well. Just to be clear in case anyone is wondering, I'm no Khan fan - I've never voted for him and I won't be doing so either this time once again and it's nothing to do with the ULEZ either as to why I won't be voting for him, just I'm looking at it from a logical viewpoint without emotion that he could still conceivably get back in when you couple the power he has in Inner London along with an unknown Tory candidate in Susan Hall who needs to get off to a flyer and can't just simply rely on an anti ULEZ ticket to win the race. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 31, 2023 8:48:30 GMT
One thing is set in stone in my mind. Whomsoever tries to do a pay per mile will NOT get my vote. If sadiq khan tries pay per mile that will be the end of him. Even staunch labour voters will be put off! I don't think it's that clear cut - as I said, Inner London voters are mostly unaffected by the ULEZ extension bar those who live in certain parts of Inner London beyond the South Circular and despite that, I don't think his vote will be affected much in the majority of Inner London due to the number of safe Labour areas - roughly 95% of Lambeth won't vote a Tory in and I'm sure it's a similar situation in Lewisham, Southwark, Islington, Camden etc. These areas are also more populous as well. Just to be clear in case anyone is wondering, I'm no Khan fan - I've never voted for him and I won't be doing so either this time once again and it's nothing to do with the ULEZ either as to why I won't be voting for him, just I'm looking at it from a logical viewpoint without emotion that he could still conceivably get back in when you couple the power he has in Inner London along with an unknown Tory candidate in Susan Hall who needs to get off to a flyer and can't just simply rely on an anti ULEZ ticket to win the race. I do think the Tory party has picked a bad candidate again. Not that the others were any better but I can't see her chiming with many in London. That said thou Khan did only win with 228k extra votes last time. There may just be some in outer London who didn't vote last time who will definitely vote this time due to anti ULEZ which could pull that 228k figure down a bit. |
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 31, 2023 9:12:06 GMT
And if the reported voter fraud in Tower Hamlets can be stopped this time!
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 31, 2023 9:22:53 GMT
I don't think it's that clear cut - as I said, Inner London voters are mostly unaffected by the ULEZ extension bar those who live in certain parts of Inner London beyond the South Circular and despite that, I don't think his vote will be affected much in the majority of Inner London due to the number of safe Labour areas - roughly 95% of Lambeth won't vote a Tory in and I'm sure it's a similar situation in Lewisham, Southwark, Islington, Camden etc. These areas are also more populous as well. Just to be clear in case anyone is wondering, I'm no Khan fan - I've never voted for him and I won't be doing so either this time once again and it's nothing to do with the ULEZ either as to why I won't be voting for him, just I'm looking at it from a logical viewpoint without emotion that he could still conceivably get back in when you couple the power he has in Inner London along with an unknown Tory candidate in Susan Hall who needs to get off to a flyer and can't just simply rely on an anti ULEZ ticket to win the race. I do think the Tory party has picked a bad candidate again. Not that the others were any better but I can't see her chiming with many in London. That said thou Khan did only win with 228k extra votes last time. There may just be some in outer London who didn't vote last time who will definitely vote this time due to anti ULEZ which could pull that 228k figure down a bit. I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 31, 2023 10:57:50 GMT
I do think the Tory party has picked a bad candidate again. Not that the others were any better but I can't see her chiming with many in London. That said thou Khan did only win with 228k extra votes last time. There may just be some in outer London who didn't vote last time who will definitely vote this time due to anti ULEZ which could pull that 228k figure down a bit. I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? Susan Hall is making waves for all the wrong reasons in a city where you need to be less Trumpist and more centre-right to win if you're a Tory.
London-wise her feed is 99% ULEZ related as of late, retweets some tweets from other Tories attacking Khan but nothing about an actual manifesto.
Speaking of them expecting to lose it, they didn't even have a photo of her in the photo they tweeted when they chose her as a candidate! Bit odd of a campaign strategy for someone who at the moment wouldn't be recognised by a lot of Londoners.
To be honest, with her, the question is more of if she'll lose some traditional outer London voters to the Lib Dems.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 31, 2023 11:16:02 GMT
I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? Susan Hall is making waves for all the wrong reasons in a city where you need to be less Trumpist and more centre-right to win if you're a Tory.
London-wise her feed is 99% ULEZ related as of late, retweets some tweets from other Tories attacking Khan but nothing about an actual manifesto.
Speaking of them expecting to lose it, they didn't even have a photo of her in the photo they tweeted when they chose her as a candidate! Bit odd of a campaign strategy for someone who at the moment wouldn't be recognised by a lot of Londoners.
To be honest, with her, the question is more of if she'll lose some traditional outer London voters to the Lib Dems.
Maybe, maybe not. I think there will be protest votes on both sides. Will they even up, or swing one way? To me LibDems are like the Green's, they would just lead to oblivion, have you heard Caroline Pigeon ... the only real options are unfortunately Labour or Conservative. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 11:37:59 GMT
I do think the Tory party has picked a bad candidate again. Not that the others were any better but I can't see her chiming with many in London. That said thou Khan did only win with 228k extra votes last time. There may just be some in outer London who didn't vote last time who will definitely vote this time due to anti ULEZ which could pull that 228k figure down a bit. I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2023 11:39:03 GMT
I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. She didn't want to run in the end, but an early name tooted around was Karren Brady. She has a lot of support from younger people so she would have stood a good chance, but might still not have been enough to beat Khan. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 31, 2023 11:44:31 GMT
I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. I would have gone for Paul Scully out of the candidates presented. I didn't take to Dan Korsadi at all tbh. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 31, 2023 12:07:18 GMT
I totally agree, picking another non-entity is a sign they fully expect to lose it. If they were to stand a chance, they would need to put up a big name, but which big name wants to put themselves forward for something they are most likely to lose? Is she being vocal about things at the moment? Not seen any tweets from her on my twitter timeline, would like to know what she is about, unfortunately the Mayor always seems to be at No1 on mine, spouting some nonsense. Does he actually do anything other than post on social media? As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. I think after Boris they are wary of having someone use the Mayoral position as a trampoline to a more prominent national position, hence the nobodies on the shortlist this time around. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 31, 2023 12:58:00 GMT
As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. I would have gone for Paul Scully out of the candidates presented. I didn't take to Dan Korsadi at all tbh. Distancing the national level away from the local level actually makes sense. Yes, Paul Scully is relatively well know compared to some politicians but he was still to a degree involved in the poo show that was COVID. Rebranding the local tories in City Hall to “City Hall Conservatives” in someway detoxifies their overall brand and it separates them from the Westminster crowd. Having someone like Susan Hall fronting that brand makes sense and because a lot of people don’t know much about her it allows for her to create fresh ideas, give fresh opinions and make an impact that way. I think given a creative strategy she could give Khan a good challenge. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 13:27:25 GMT
I would have gone for Paul Scully out of the candidates presented. I didn't take to Dan Korsadi at all tbh. Distancing the national level away from the local level actually makes sense. Yes, Paul Scully is relatively well know compared to some politicians but he was still to a degree involved in the poo show that was COVID. Rebranding the local tories in City Hall to “City Hall Conservatives” in someway detoxifies their overall brand and it separates them from the Westminster crowd. Having someone like Susan Hall fronting that brand makes sense and because a lot of people don’t know much about her it allows for her to create fresh ideas, give fresh opinions and make an impact that way. I think given a creative strategy she could give Khan a good challenge. If all she is going to do is run an anti ULEZ campaign, then she will struggle to get over the line outside of Outer London and Outer London is mostly already Tory leaning anyway. She will have to try to woo Inner London voters who normally associate more closely to Labour and who are nowhere nearly as affected by the ULEZ in comparison bar a few areas south of the South Circular Road - unless something changes, I see her struggling. Anyway, I'm more interested in what independents are running this time as once again, that's where my vote will be going. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2023 13:27:58 GMT
As much as I don’t like him, the Tories could of picked Paul Scully who is more recognisable but for some reason, they basically sidelined him for an unknown candidate. I would have gone for Paul Scully out of the candidates presented. I didn't take to Dan Korsadi at all tbh. Yeah, I didn't trust him from the off and then lo and behold, allegations about him surface. |
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