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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 27, 2021 7:11:05 GMT
One of the sheds at BC has had a load of buses blinded for the 315 stored for weeks now.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 27, 2021 7:35:43 GMT
Considering London Bus Routes us run by someone in the industry it's very reliable. It will operate from BC, can't recall the reason but not important. It seems slightly bizarre if Abellio did intend to move the 315 to QB. Whilst the 315 can easily be based at any of Abellio's three south London garages, QB don't have any single deck routes at the moment so would not only require loan vehicles if one of the buses became unavailable but would require most existing QB drivers who want to drive the 315 to be type trained on the E200. vjaska does make a good point about the surplus ex K1 E200's being available though (8121-8123, plus 8118-8120 if and when they return from their long term loan at RATP), which could give the 315 additional spares if it did indeed go to QB. In addition to this, the buses that will be used on the 315 are already at BC, and there has rtbeen a report of it being added to the blindset of other BC E200's. Obviously things do change at the last minute and the buses could easily move to QB come May 1st but why fix something that ain't broke? I've not seen any confirmation that the 315 will be based at QB and londonbusroutes.net isn't the most reliable of sources (although they did get the 413 moving to AL instead of C spot on) so for now I'll assume it's still going to BC. I emailed him about the 315 stating Battersea Garage and had said that is what the official TFL information stated so isn’t to blame. Those who say his website is unreliable are wrong one of the most reliable unofficial bus update websites. I’ve been looking at that website since I was 12 going to School. Wikipedia is more unreliable and sorry to say many Facebook Bus groups and certain information on this group at times, however most members post information with good faith, no one should be criticised if something suddenly changes as this has happened many times in the past.
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Post by sp17 on Apr 27, 2021 9:23:25 GMT
Considering London Bus Routes us run by someone in the industry it's very reliable. It will operate from BC, can't recall the reason but not important. I emailed him about the 315 stating Battersea Garage and had said that is what the official TFL information stated so isn’t to blame. Those who say his website is unreliable are wrong one of the most reliable unofficial bus update websites. I’ve been looking at that website since I was 12 going to School. Wikipedia is more unreliable and sorry to say many Facebook Bus groups and certain information on this group at times, however most members post information with good faith, no one should be criticised if something suddenly changes as this has happened many times in the past. 100 percent agree with everything in this message. Things are always changing, remember when ELBG were said to have ordered B9s and suddenly Scanias arrived. Even LOTS have posted things that’s haven’t materialised at times because things change last minute all the time.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 27, 2021 10:27:23 GMT
I emailed him about the 315 stating Battersea Garage and had said that is what the official TFL information stated so isn’t to blame. Those who say his website is unreliable are wrong one of the most reliable unofficial bus update websites. I’ve been looking at that website since I was 12 going to School. Wikipedia is more unreliable and sorry to say many Facebook Bus groups and certain information on this group at times, however most members post information with good faith, no one should be criticised if something suddenly changes as this has happened many times in the past. 100 percent agree with everything in this message. Things are always changing, remember when ELBG were said to have ordered B9s and suddenly Scanias arrived. Even LOTS have posted things that’s haven’t materialised at times because things change last minute all the time. I don't remember ELBG announcing any B9TL orders? The 2009 deliveries were always going to be Scanias because Volvo B9s hadn't yet been approved by TfL. I remember ELBG were going to switch to Volvo/Wright for future deliveries (this was stated at the time by a very credible source) but as the sale to Stagecoach was being negotiated the order was never placed (and of course Stagecoach went for ADL instead).
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 27, 2021 10:50:59 GMT
I emailed him about the 315 stating Battersea Garage and had said that is what the official TFL information stated so isn’t to blame. Those who say his website is unreliable are wrong one of the most reliable unofficial bus update websites. I’ve been looking at that website since I was 12 going to School. Wikipedia is more unreliable and sorry to say many Facebook Bus groups and certain information on this group at times, however most members post information with good faith, no one should be criticised if something suddenly changes as this has happened many times in the past. 100 percent agree with everything in this message. Things are always changing, remember when ELBG were said to have ordered B9s and suddenly Scanias arrived. Even LOTS have posted things that’s haven’t materialised at times because things change last minute all the time. Have you got a source for ELBG ordering B9s?
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Post by sp17 on Apr 27, 2021 12:43:27 GMT
100 percent agree with everything in this message. Things are always changing, remember when ELBG were said to have ordered B9s and suddenly Scanias arrived. Even LOTS have posted things that’s haven’t materialised at times because things change last minute all the time. I don't remember ELBG announcing any B9TL orders? The 2009 deliveries were always going to be Scanias because Volvo B9s hadn't yet been approved by TfL. I remember ELBG were going to switch to Volvo/Wright for future deliveries (this was stated at the time by a very credible source) but as the sale to Stagecoach was being negotiated the order was never placed (and of course Stagecoach went for ADL instead). That’s probably what I’m talking about to be fair, I do remember talk of B9s for Plumstead in 2009. Not sure if an order was placed or not but wasn’t the B9 already approved by 2009?
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Post by LX09FBJ on Apr 27, 2021 13:39:09 GMT
I always thought that it was the 174 and 287 (plus some other routes) which were retained by ELBG at the time which were going to get B9TLs and then Stagecoach returned who changed the order to Enviro400s
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Post by redexpress on Apr 27, 2021 14:20:57 GMT
I don't remember ELBG announcing any B9TL orders? The 2009 deliveries were always going to be Scanias because Volvo B9s hadn't yet been approved by TfL. I remember ELBG were going to switch to Volvo/Wright for future deliveries (this was stated at the time by a very credible source) but as the sale to Stagecoach was being negotiated the order was never placed (and of course Stagecoach went for ADL instead). That’s probably what I’m talking about to be fair, I do remember talk of B9s for Plumstead in 2009. Not sure if an order was placed or not but wasn’t the B9 already approved by 2009? The B9TL was approved during 2009, but that would have been too late for the Plumstead routes which started in Jan 2009. The first London B9TL order (except the trial buses on the 85) was for the 83 which started in Sept 2009.
Theoretically ELBG could have considered B9TLs for the Leyton contracts (early 2010) but IIRC they had a bulk deal with Scania which covered that order. It was only after that deal ended that they chose the B9TL/Wright; as LX09FBJ says the first ones would have been for routes that started in late 2010 / early 2011 including 174 and various Barking routes. I'm not sure they got as far as placing a firm order though.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 27, 2021 14:24:28 GMT
That’s probably what I’m talking about to be fair, I do remember talk of B9s for Plumstead in 2009. Not sure if an order was placed or not but wasn’t the B9 already approved by 2009? The B9TL was approved during 2009, but that would have been too late for the Plumstead routes which started in Jan 2009. The first London B9TL order (except the trial buses on the 85) was for the 83 which started in Sept 2009.
Theoretically ELBG could have considered B9TLs for the Leyton contracts (early 2010) but IIRC they had a bulk deal with Scania which covered that order. It was only after that deal ended that they chose the B9TL/Wright; as LX09FBJ says the first ones would have been for routes that started in late 2010 / early 2011 including 174 and various Barking routes. I'm not sure they got as far as placing a firm order though. I believe it was this which resulted in potential 60reg buses for the 174 being delayed to become 11reg buses. The Stagecoach sale meant that no firm order was placed by ELBG at all for these routes, and it was only following their purchase completely that buses were ordered very swiftly.
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 29, 2021 2:15:54 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net now confirming the 315 will be operated from BC. There seems to have been a bit of confusion with what he said and what was going around various platforms. Glad that's been cleared up.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2021 17:27:09 GMT
Much musch cheaper to have N63 with hybrids, and there is absolutley nothing wrong with route N63 using hybrids. [/quote]
How would it be much cheaper?
**I've moved this from the Stagecoach thread
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Post by dashing0ne on May 1, 2021 6:10:33 GMT
What 4/5 buses formally form the allocation for route 315.
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Post by vjaska on May 1, 2021 11:19:54 GMT
What 4/5 buses formally form the allocation for route 315. 5 ex K1 13 reg examples
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Post by dashing0ne on May 1, 2021 11:24:13 GMT
What 4/5 buses formally form the allocation for route 315. 5 ex K1 13 reg examples But what are the fleetcodes, I know they are ex-K1.
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Post by mkay315 on May 1, 2021 12:08:19 GMT
But what are the fleetcodes, I know they are ex-K1. lvf.io/Type 315 in there and you'll see it's allocated buses on there.
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