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Post by M1104 on Oct 17, 2021 9:54:41 GMT
As route P5 recently received a PVR increase of 1, I wonder if the an extra vehicle might be added to the 433's order to cover this (especially if the 433 were to get more Caetanos)? Currently, route C10 needs 24 of the Caetanos for a PVR of 22. This only leaves 10 for the P5, which now has a PVR of 10, so no spare. Could be that the extra bus may only be needed for the peak of which one of the spares should be able to handle, granted resources would be that bit tighter.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 17, 2021 11:27:30 GMT
As route P5 recently received a PVR increase of 1, I wonder if the an extra vehicle might be added to the 433's order to cover this (especially if the 433 were to get more Caetanos)? Currently, route C10 needs 24 of the Caetanos for a PVR of 22. This only leaves 10 for the P5, which now has a PVR of 10, so no spare. Could be that the extra bus may only be needed for the peak of which one of the spares should be able to handle, granted resources would be that bit tighter. Perhaps Abellio would have special dispensation to put a conventional diesel out on the P5 if necessary, especially if it would only be needed at peak times.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 17, 2021 13:48:16 GMT
Could be that the extra bus may only be needed for the peak of which one of the spares should be able to handle, granted resources would be that bit tighter. Perhaps Abellio would have special dispensation to put a conventional diesel out on the P5 if necessary, especially if it would only be needed at peak times. Or by chance could there be any pvr reductions due from the C10?
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Post by M1104 on Oct 17, 2021 14:19:41 GMT
Yes, just a few days really In practice if they use the 10 old E400s, suspend the refurbs for that period, scrape together couple of spares from every garage, can probably muster enough buses, even if it is a bit of a mongrel fleet. Although that may be more interesting for observers. Could we see some LT's from across the fleet move to the 285, with 20xx buses moving to the 63? The E400's may be best off (especially if they are from Abellio West) moving to the 207, with the 207's smart hybrids moving to the 63. In that LT-gathering senario i wouldn't be surprised if they were allocated to the 45. This would reduce the number of depots involved and the 45's MMCs are not much older than the 285's.
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 17, 2021 19:09:51 GMT
Could we see some LT's from across the fleet move to the 285, with 20xx buses moving to the 63? The E400's may be best off (especially if they are from Abellio West) moving to the 207, with the 207's smart hybrids moving to the 63. In that LT-gathering senario i wouldn't be surprised if they were allocated to the 45. This would reduce the number of depots involved and the 45's MMCs are not much older than the 285's. Might want to check them on the left turn onto Coldharbour Lane from Gresham Road. With the turn lane into Gresham Road that might be a bit tight. Can't think of any other problem areas
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Post by vjaska on Oct 17, 2021 19:13:50 GMT
In that LT-gathering senario i wouldn't be surprised if they were allocated to the 45. This would reduce the number of depots involved and the 45's MMCs are not much older than the 285's. Might want to check them on the left turn onto Coldharbour Lane from Gresham Road. With the turn lane into Gresham Road that might be a bit tight. Can't think of any other problem areas Nope, they'll get round that turn without issue, have seen much longer stuff get around there. There shouldn't be any problem parts on the 45.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 17, 2021 20:05:34 GMT
In that LT-gathering senario i wouldn't be surprised if they were allocated to the 45. This would reduce the number of depots involved and the 45's MMCs are not much older than the 285's. Might want to check them on the left turn onto Coldharbour Lane from Gresham Road. With the turn lane into Gresham Road that might be a bit tight. Can't think of any other problem areas There was a coach firm near there whose vehicles used to make that turn. Also the 59 and 159 have gone that way whilst on diversion.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 17, 2021 20:56:30 GMT
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 17, 2021 21:01:26 GMT
yes it would have been withdrawn if it was for sale
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Post by Gary on Oct 18, 2021 16:48:17 GMT
Significant delays in Isleworth today (Twickenham Road / St John’s Road junction) meant that there was what I believe to be a very rare turn on H20. It went from Ivybridge to Whitton Dene. Does anyone happen to know the details on this turn as Ian Armstrong’s site isn’t showing the correct document that lists curtailments. H20 doesn’t go near to the Whitton Dene stand and it wouldn’t make much sense offloading passengers half way down Hall Road.
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 19, 2021 8:27:19 GMT
Significant delays in Isleworth today (Twickenham Road / St John’s Road junction) meant that there was what I believe to be a very rare turn on H20. It went from Ivybridge to Whitton Dene. Does anyone happen to know the details on this turn as Ian Armstrong’s site isn’t showing the correct document that lists curtailments. H20 doesn’t go near to the Whitton Dene stand and it wouldn’t make much sense offloading passengers half way down Hall Road. WHITTON, WHITTON DENE Public stand forone bus on south side of Whitton Dene (north arm), commencing opposite the east flank wall of No.170 and extending 12 metres east. From Hounslow, Civic Centre. Buses proceed from Central Avenue via Hall Road, Whitton Dene and Whitton Dene (Northern Arm) to stand, departing via Whitton Dene (Northern Arm), Whitton Dene (Western Arm), Whitton Dene and Hall Road to Central Avenue. Set down in Central Avenue (R0649 - Norbury Avenue, Last Stop on LOR: R0649 - Norbury Avenue) and pick up in Central Avenue (R0650 - Southland Way, First Stop on LOR: R0650 - Southland Way). From Ivybridge, Twickenham Tesco. Buses proceed from Hall Road via Whitton Dene and Whitton Dene (Northern Arm) to stand, departing via Whitton Dene (Northern Arm), Whitton Dene (Western Arm) and Whitton Dene to Hall Road. Set down in Hall Road (25803 - Eaton Road, Last Stop on LOR: 25803 - Eaton Road) and pick up in Hall Road (25804 - Reapers Way, First Stop on LOR: 25804 - Reapers Way). AVAILABILITY: At any time. OPERATING RESTRICTIONS: Unscheduled curtailments only MEAL RELIEFS: No meal relief vehicles to stand at any time. FERRY VEHICLES: No ferry vehicles to park on stand at any time. BLIND DISPLAY: Whitton Dene.
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Post by TNA33379 on Oct 19, 2021 11:16:39 GMT
63 going to Abellio soon and I doubt 63 EV’s will be ready. Any ideas what the 63 could use? Possibly a route like 45 going Diesel with 56 regs while the hybrids temp?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2021 11:54:47 GMT
63 going to Abellio soon and I doubt 63 EV’s will be ready. Any ideas what the 63 could use? Possibly a route like 45 going Diesel with 56 regs while the hybrids temp? The 45 cannot use diesels due to the Central London ULEZ. The only options I see is they either loan in EH’s & E’s from the 363 & 37 at least for a couple of weeks before other Abellio vehicles come available following the 414 loss or they simply keep the Go-Ahead buses on loan until the electrics arrive - can’t see anything else happening but could be wrong
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Post by cl54 on Oct 19, 2021 15:50:58 GMT
63 going to Abellio soon and I doubt 63 EV’s will be ready. Any ideas what the 63 could use? Possibly a route like 45 going Diesel with 56 regs while the hybrids temp? The 45 cannot use diesels due to the Central London ULEZ. The only options I see is they either loan in EH’s & E’s from the 363 & 37 at least for a couple of weeks before other Abellio vehicles come available following the 414 loss or they simply keep the Go-Ahead buses on loan until the electrics arrive - can’t see anything else happening but could be wrong The ULEZ already applies to all buses on TfL routes in London.
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2021 16:00:11 GMT
The 45 cannot use diesels due to the Central London ULEZ. The only options I see is they either loan in EH’s & E’s from the 363 & 37 at least for a couple of weeks before other Abellio vehicles come available following the 414 loss or they simply keep the Go-Ahead buses on loan until the electrics arrive - can’t see anything else happening but could be wrong The ULEZ already applies to all buses on TfL routes in London. Whilst that is correct, TfL have a contractual rule that all TFL buses entering the original Central London ULEZ, Eastern congestion charge zone have to be a minimum of Hybrid Euro6 ... so this Central area is stricter than the ULEZ for TfL contracted bus services. I understand noncompliance is subject to a contractual penalty.
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