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Post by ServerKing on Oct 6, 2022 15:29:39 GMT
2486 was involved in an apparent fire whilst working the 156 earlier this afternoon- now listed as VOR. Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. Just relatively recently 2486 2567 EH133 (GAL) ADH45031 (RATP) ADH45038 (RATP) DDE20294 (RATP) 12394 (Stagecoach) 12274 (Stagecoach) 2510 (Stagecoach, ex CT plus) And still I’m sure I’ve missed more, and this doesn’t even include provincial fleets. A lot of Tridents had this happen too. I know it’s not exclusive to ADL (the wrightbus HV fire at Brixton a few months ago), but no other manufacturer has a list this extensive. I wonder how many more will have to happen before recalls start happening. EDIT: I did think about if it’s because there is a much higher volume of ADL products than most others, but 1) there are actually more Volvo G3’s in London than E400 MMCs and 2) I did quickly work out the proportion of fires to the volume of products and is far heavier in ADLs favour. Different type of gearbox, and less pressure exerted on the engine with the Volvo I-Shift box, whereas the hybrid system in the ADL's is an E200 engine linked to a CVT box and electric motors, like a Prius or Corolla.... hence more thrash all the time just to move. I guess more ADL's will see more fires if they are more popular and have any sort of design fault (ie all the B7TL's had their fan clutch issue hence the roar)
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Post by mark on Oct 7, 2022 7:06:13 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Oct 7, 2022 10:58:26 GMT
2486 was involved in an apparent fire whilst working the 156 earlier this afternoon- now listed as VOR. Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. It would be interesting to know how many self inflicted fire victim buses (across all manufacturers) had warning lights and buzzers alerting its condition beforehand.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 7, 2022 11:02:33 GMT
2486 was involved in an apparent fire whilst working the 156 earlier this afternoon- now listed as VOR. Videos across the internet suggests it's too far gone for repairs
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Post by sam97 on Oct 7, 2022 11:27:09 GMT
Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. It would be interesting to know how many self inflicted fire victim buses (across all manufacturers) had warning lights and buzzers alerting its condition beforehand. I noticed Stagecoach E400s had notices about warning lights on their driver cab. I saw it whilst sitting behind the driver on the 215
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 7, 2022 13:38:47 GMT
Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. It would be interesting to know how many self inflicted fire victim buses (across all manufacturers) had warning lights and buzzers alerting its condition beforehand. When I was driving 2403 and it caught fire, there were no warning lights. But it was the front axle that was bright orange and the flames with inside the wheel so not sure there are any sensors there!
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 7, 2022 13:49:39 GMT
2486 was involved in an apparent fire whilst working the 156 earlier this afternoon- now listed as VOR. Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. Just relatively recently 2486 2567 EH133 (GAL) ADH45031 (RATP) ADH45038 (RATP) DDE20294 (RATP) 12394 (Stagecoach) 12274 (Stagecoach) 2510 (Stagecoach, ex CT plus) And still I’m sure I’ve missed more, and this doesn’t even include provincial fleets. A lot of Tridents had this happen too. I know it’s not exclusive to ADL (the wrightbus HV fire at Brixton a few months ago), but no other manufacturer has a list this extensive. I wonder how many more will have to happen before recalls start happening. EDIT: I did think about if it’s because there is a much higher volume of ADL products than most others, but 1) there are actually more Volvo G3’s in London than E400 MMCs and 2) I did quickly work out the proportion of fires to the volume of products and is far heavier in ADLs favour. What’s more is that all of them are hybrids. I’ve not seen any pictures of 2486’s fire, but I wonder if there’s some sort of design flaw in ADL’s hybrid products. With previous fires, it looked as though the fire was coming from the battery compartment which is why I thought it might be a defect with some batteries
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 7, 2022 13:53:32 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Oct 7, 2022 14:10:56 GMT
Thankfully no reported injuries
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Post by paulo on Oct 7, 2022 14:43:40 GMT
Thankfully no reported injuries The Understatement of the year in the video….
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Post by rj131 on Oct 7, 2022 16:19:49 GMT
Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. Just relatively recently 2486 2567 EH133 (GAL) ADH45031 (RATP) ADH45038 (RATP) DDE20294 (RATP) 12394 (Stagecoach) 12274 (Stagecoach) 2510 (Stagecoach, ex CT plus) And still I’m sure I’ve missed more, and this doesn’t even include provincial fleets. A lot of Tridents had this happen too. I know it’s not exclusive to ADL (the wrightbus HV fire at Brixton a few months ago), but no other manufacturer has a list this extensive. I wonder how many more will have to happen before recalls start happening. EDIT: I did think about if it’s because there is a much higher volume of ADL products than most others, but 1) there are actually more Volvo G3’s in London than E400 MMCs and 2) I did quickly work out the proportion of fires to the volume of products and is far heavier in ADLs favour. What’s more is that all of them are hybrids. I’ve not seen any pictures of 2486’s fire, but I wonder if there’s some sort of design flaw in ADL’s hybrid products. With previous fires, it looked as though the fire was coming from the battery compartment which is why I thought it might be a defect with some batteries The good thing is though I would think some emergency message comes up on the dashboard before the fire happens, as thankfully no one ever seems to be injured in these fires suggesting there’s always good time for people to evacuate the bus
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 8, 2022 12:41:21 GMT
3010 - an Electroliner due for route 111 - photobombs here.
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Post by abellion on Oct 8, 2022 12:44:19 GMT
3010 - an Electroliner due for route 111 - photobombs here. There’s also a video of 3003 on the same TikTok page.
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Post by VPL630 on Oct 8, 2022 18:55:57 GMT
Cant help but notice that a huge amount of ADL buses seem to be catching fire, always seems to be ADL buses this is happening to, and very few from other manufacturers. It would be interesting to know how many self inflicted fire victim buses (across all manufacturers) had warning lights and buzzers alerting its condition beforehand. When the compressor decided to overheat and explode in the engine bay sending oil everywhere in the citaro I was driving, I had no warning lights or alarms but a load sold blue smoke, when I stopped and isolated the bus and got everyone away and was told to inform iBus, I turned the isolator on and a few seconds later “Fire in Engine Bay” warning message with an alarm going off came up. When I drove a trident down the A12 shortly after leaving the garage, the engine fire alarm warning in the cab went off, knowing it’s a trident and how good they are at catching fire, I immediately selected neutral and shut engine off while still moving to coast into a safe place away from anything else, on this occasion it was a plastic bottle that had somehow ended up between the exhaust and a heat shield, in the no more than 15 mins the bus had been running from cold it had managed to melt itself all over the exhaust. I attended an E200 with a sub bus after the driver had reported engine coolant temp high warnings and steam coming from the engine, on further investigation it was found that a split fuel pipe was actually leaking fuel all over the engine and wasn’t far from going up in flames but no other warnings other than high coolant. We had a E200 arrive at the yard that one of the engine top bolts was not properly secured causing oil to leak everywhere bare in mind this bus had just been driven over 2 hours at high speed, with no warnings I’m aware of another bus catching fire and the only warning light the driver noticed was ‘Air Filter Blocked’ I’m also aware of members of public calling bus companies saying that smoke is coming out the back of vehicles that are in the process of doing a DPF regeneration, in some cases this has resulted in the fire service being called out. I’m aware of an E400 that’s suffered a fuel pipe splitting and leaking fuel over engine causing smoke to actually come into the lower deck again with no warning lights or alarms. There are a lot of close calls that happen almost daily but in 95% of cases there are other anomalies which are noticed or dealt with first, you’d be surprised how often fire suppression systems go off themself when there is no fire, or how many fire alarms go off for again no reason The other day a Volvo 7900H caught fire due to a headlight/wiring fault
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 8, 2022 23:27:44 GMT
It would be interesting to know how many self inflicted fire victim buses (across all manufacturers) had warning lights and buzzers alerting its condition beforehand. When the compressor decided to overheat and explode in the engine bay sending oil everywhere in the citaro I was driving, I had no warning lights or alarms but a load sold blue smoke, when I stopped and isolated the bus and got everyone away and was told to inform iBus, I turned the isolator on and a few seconds later “Fire in Engine Bay” warning message with an alarm going off came up. When I drove a trident down the A12 shortly after leaving the garage, the engine fire alarm warning in the cab went off, knowing it’s a trident and how good they are at catching fire, I immediately selected neutral and shut engine off while still moving to coast into a safe place away from anything else, on this occasion it was a plastic bottle that had somehow ended up between the exhaust and a heat shield, in the no more than 15 mins the bus had been running from cold it had managed to melt itself all over the exhaust. I attended an E200 with a sub bus after the driver had reported engine coolant temp high warnings and steam coming from the engine, on further investigation it was found that a split fuel pipe was actually leaking fuel all over the engine and wasn’t far from going up in flames but no other warnings other than high coolant. We had a E200 arrive at the yard that one of the engine top bolts was not properly secured causing oil to leak everywhere bare in mind this bus had just been driven over 2 hours at high speed, with no warnings I’m aware of another bus catching fire and the only warning light the driver noticed was ‘Air Filter Blocked’ I’m also aware of members of public calling bus companies saying that smoke is coming out the back of vehicles that are in the process of doing a DPF regeneration, in some cases this has resulted in the fire service being called out. I’m aware of an E400 that’s suffered a fuel pipe splitting and leaking fuel over engine causing smoke to actually come into the lower deck again with no warning lights or alarms. There are a lot of close calls that happen almost daily but in 95% of cases there are other anomalies which are noticed or dealt with first, you’d be surprised how often fire suppression systems go off themself when there is no fire, or how many fire alarms go off for again no reason The other day a Volvo 7900H caught fire due to a headlight/wiring fault There are a lot of fires, just not all make it to social media etc. I have known of Volvo and DAF chassis fires. As for ADL the most common is the Trident, later E400, but then one of the other reasons is there are more of them on the road than other types. A lot of it down to engineer/driver error, than the product itself.
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