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Post by M1104 on Jan 2, 2008 10:44:19 GMT
TA 82, 83, 86 and 99 are on loan to WL for about 6 weeks. These Tridents are not from Travel London's 9700 series but are in fact Metroline's T or V reg. ALX400 Buses on hire for standby the ELC. Metroline will need them back after 6 weeks, which makes one wonder what Travel London will do for buses after then.....if still needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 20:11:13 GMT
Hi, for one of the BC lads..... maybe!
I read somewhere that 9737/73 were supposed to be at BC and 9738/39 we also due to transfer there. I have not seen any of these vehicles on the 157, and seeing 9703 on the route today, one that was supposed to be moving the other way to QB - wondered if you could confirm if any of these vehicles are now at BC - or are expected?
Lastly, has 9069 turned up yet - I know steve loves the Volvo's
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Post by M1104 on Jan 3, 2008 23:50:00 GMT
Hi, one of rthe BC lads. I read somewhere that 9737/73 were supposed to be at BC and 9738/39 we also due to transfer there. I have not seen any of these vehicles on the 157, and seeing 9703 on the route today, one that was supposed to be moving the other way to QB - wondered if you could confirm if any of these vehicles are now at BC - or are expected? Lastly, has 9069 turned up yet - I know steve loves the Volvo's 9737 was on the 157 today. 9738 and 9739 are still at QB with 9703 and 9726 still at BC (the later recently had BC applied on the side). The six Volvos at BC are 9752,65,70,71,72/73.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 3, 2008 23:54:38 GMT
Just been told 9052 has gone back to WL and 9013 is now at BC (was on the 157 today).
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 5, 2008 3:51:51 GMT
9052 is actually a WL bus (part of their 9001-9064 allocation). it's on loan to BC until one of the Volvos from Hayes becomes available, I assume that will be in March 2008 when the H50 becomes 350 and only one Volvo is needed on route instead of up to four. BC should be getting part of the 9066-69 allocation, which I believe are 55 reg, but with plug in doors and CCTV screens like your 06 reg. batch. The reason 9052 is on the 3 is because it doesn't have full blinds for the 157 (WL accidently sent a 55 reg bus when it should've been an old style route blind bus. one...ie 54 reg. Volvo 9001-20). As for the 9761-74 Trident range, most of them are fast....except 9764 and 9772, which seems to have faulty pumps. In any case, it's not worth allocating only the fast Tridents on the 3 because: 1) it will just be sitting in traffic up west. 2) the bus may be fast today, then slow tomorrow (especially with engines that are more computer orientated like your 9739-9834 batch) By the way, why do your Tridents over-revv during drive? Those buses must be exhausting quite a lot of waste fuel. I'm guessing the compressors are not correctly set. The Tridents I notice it on are: 9727/31/32/34/35/47/48/52/53/60/61/62/64/67 and 68. Also some of Transdev older ALX400 ZF Volvos and London Central's PVLs do it as well. All these buses are on ZF. The only Voith buses i've known to hear over-revving as some of the euro 3 DLAs from TH and DLA ?13 from BN. I think they should allocate the faster tridents on the 3 because they don't give us enough time for the journeys out of central london (palace to kennington). Most of the time when leaving palace I'm never on time and its a matter of luck if you get there on time at millbank. When leaving ox circus I'm struggling not to run early until I get to brixton One thing I like about 9052 is that the doors close very quick. If we are to get more then I hope all doors on them close like this one. I noticed too the high revs. When driving, I have to lift the accelarator a little just so the bus can move up a gear. Its annoying when going up that hill towards palace. 9013 was on the 3 today as well the 157. This bus has no blinds for the 157 either which probably was the reason why they changed it. Also left for the N3 too as I went home. 9737 and 73 are here at BC. 9737 limited to 50mph I think but its got dodgy brakes
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 5, 2008 3:55:39 GMT
Just been told 9052 has gone back to WL and 9013 is now at BC (was on the 157 today). I think I driven this bus before. If I remember, it does have a kickdown although its not better than the tridents. I don't understand why they swapped them though
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Post by M1104 on Jan 5, 2008 15:53:10 GMT
9052 is actually a WL bus (part of their 9001-9064 allocation). it's on loan to BC until one of the Volvos from Hayes becomes available, I assume that will be in March 2008 when the H50 becomes 350 and only one Volvo is needed on route instead of up to four. BC should be getting part of the 9066-69 allocation, which I believe are 55 reg, but with plug in doors and CCTV screens like your 06 reg. batch. The reason 9052 is on the 3 is because it doesn't have full blinds for the 157 (WL accidently sent a 55 reg bus when it should've been an old style route blind bus. one...ie 54 reg. Volvo 9001-20). As for the 9761-74 Trident range, most of them are fast....except 9764 and 9772, which seems to have faulty pumps. In any case, it's not worth allocating only the fast Tridents on the 3 because: 1) it will just be sitting in traffic up west. 2) the bus may be fast today, then slow tomorrow (especially with engines that are more computer orientated like your 9739-9834 batch) By the way, why do your Tridents over-revv during drive? Those buses must be exhausting quite a lot of waste fuel. I'm guessing the compressors are not correctly set. The Tridents I notice it on are: 9727/31/32/34/35/47/48/52/53/60/61/62/64/67 and 68. Also some of Transdev older ALX400 ZF Volvos and London Central's PVLs do it as well. All these buses are on ZF. The only Voith buses i've known to hear over-revving as some of the euro 3 DLAs from TH and DLA ?13 from BN. I think they should allocate the faster tridents on the 3 because they don't give us enough time for the journeys out of central london (palace to kennington). Most of the time when leaving palace I'm never on time and its a matter of luck if you get there on time at millbank. When leaving ox circus I'm struggling not to run early until I get to brixton One thing I like about 9052 is that the doors close very quick. If we are to get more then I hope all doors on them close like this one. I noticed too the high revs. When driving, I have to lift the accelarator a little just so the bus can move up a gear. Its annoying when going up that hill towards palace. 9013 was on the 3 today as well the 157. This bus has no blinds for the 157 either which probably was the reason why they changed it. Also left for the N3 too as I went home. 9737 and 73 are here at BC. 9737 limited to 50mph I think but its got dodgy brakes 9737 is actually unrestricted, but there's a fault within the system of the accelerator or engine management. The trick is when it reaches restrictions in any gear, release the throttle then kickdown AGAIN and HOLD IT DOWN. 9708 use to have the same problem (unless it still does). DON'T ACCELERATE INTO ANYTHING NOW! ;D Regarding the brakes on 9737, you have to remember that 9731-38 are not YN reg. but euro2 Y reg. buses with drum brakes at the rear. 9739 upwards have ABS and euro3 engines. Other than that, they're all identical. Volvo 9013 is presently a unique BC Volvo in that the engine management allows the kickdown to work on it, like the other 54 reg. Volvos (9001-17, 19 and 20). Funny that it doesn't have full 157 blinds yet it has full blinds and destinations for routes 60 and 196, both of which are now in Travel London heaven (ie South Croydon and Stockwell deopts). In my opinion, BC should've been given Volvos 9001-06 as: 1) their kickdown functions more useful up hills like Gypsy and Anerley Hills. 2) Identical route blinds to the Tridents 3) Identical braking system to the Tridents 4) Swing exit doors like on the Tridents The only bad thing about the 54 reg. (compared to some 55/06 reg) is that they're not as quick on pullaway, but that can be rectified via engine management like what was done on 9073 (and more recently 9072). Regarding your query about why 9052 was exchanged, it's tax disc had expired on December 3st, but only one driver was aware of it when he/she had the bus, hence the bus had to go back to WL. Also remember that ALL the National Express: London Volvos are routinely serviced at Walworth and/or Volvo themselves, even the ones at Hayes. Buses will therefore be swapped for such reason.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 6, 2008 0:12:31 GMT
9052 is actually a WL bus (part of their 9001-9064 allocation). it's on loan to BC until one of the Volvos from Hayes becomes available, I assume that will be in March 2008 when the H50 becomes 350 and only one Volvo is needed on route instead of up to four. BC should be getting part of the 9066-69 allocation, which I believe are 55 reg, but with plug in doors and CCTV screens like your 06 reg. batch. The reason 9052 is on the 3 is because it doesn't have full blinds for the 157 (WL accidently sent a 55 reg bus when it should've been an old style route blind bus. one...ie 54 reg. Volvo 9001-20). As for the 9761-74 Trident range, most of them are fast....except 9764 and 9772, which seems to have faulty pumps. In any case, it's not worth allocating only the fast Tridents on the 3 because: 1) it will just be sitting in traffic up west. 2) the bus may be fast today, then slow tomorrow (especially with engines that are more computer orientated like your 9739-9834 batch) By the way, why do your Tridents over-revv during drive? Those buses must be exhausting quite a lot of waste fuel. I'm guessing the compressors are not correctly set. The Tridents I notice it on are: 9727/31/32/34/35/47/48/52/53/60/61/62/64/67 and 68. Also some of Transdev older ALX400 ZF Volvos and London Central's PVLs do it as well. All these buses are on ZF. The only Voith buses i've known to hear over-revving as some of the euro 3 DLAs from TH and DLA ?13 from BN. One thing I like about 9052 is that the doors close very quick. If we are to get more then I hope all doors on them close like this one. Officially, BC are to end up with Volvos 9065, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72 and 73 (minus one bus needed for route 350 from March). All of the above buses are plug in doors except 9065, which was part of the 9021-9065 batch ordered for routes 188 and 343. Regarding Tridents 9703 and 9726 still at BC, it just occured to me that they may be needed to cover any stortage of 152 vehicles. Only V reg. Tridents had the blinds, along with the 06 reg. Volvos (which i can't imagine being used on those residential roads in Pollard's Hill, plus the fact it's half a metre longer than a Trident).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 22:32:05 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Jan 8, 2008 14:45:42 GMT
...still with BC codes. lol That explains why BC has an extra Volvo from WL instead of Hayes. Any idea which V reg. Tridents are with the university routes?
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 8, 2008 23:32:59 GMT
9737 is actually unrestricted, but there's a fault within the system of the accelerator or engine management. The trick is when it reaches restrictions in any gear, release the throttle then kickdown AGAIN and HOLD IT DOWN. 9708 use to have the same problem (unless it still does). DON'T ACCELERATE INTO ANYTHING NOW! ;D Regarding the brakes on 9737, you have to remember that 9731-38 are not YN reg. but euro2 Y reg. buses with drum brakes at the rear. 9739 upwards have ABS and euro3 engines. Other than that, they're all identical. Regarding your query about why 9052 was exchanged, it's tax disc had expired on December 3st, but only one driver was aware of it when he/she had the bus, hence the bus had to go back to WL. ;D Very interesting lol!!! I must try when I get the chance. Don't worry I consider myself to be a careful driver although I had many accidents when I was at LG I did hear aobut the tax disc but I didn't believe the driver who told me. I surprise that such a mistake was made lol I sure one of the YN tridents had the blinds for the 152. Not entirely sure but when changing the blinds to go out of service you would normally have to turn the blind past 3 destinations (aldwych, bromley, beckenham). But on one of them you have to go through many destinations. I try and find out if I get that bus.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 9, 2008 15:54:15 GMT
Not sure one of the YN tridents had the blinds for the 152. Not entirely sure but when changing the blinds to go out of service you would normally have to turn the blind past 3 destinations (aldwych, bromley, beckenham). But on one of them you have to go through many destinations. I try and find out if I get that bus. Trident 9737 has a few 152 destinations at the very top of the blinds (NEW MALDEN, MITCHAM, COLLIERS WOOD, etc.) located just above OXFORD CIRCUS. Not sure if the main 152 number is on the front route blind though, i would think so. Then again, all your Tridents have 381 on them, but don't have destinations like PECKHAM BUS STATION or CANADA WATER. Don't forget 9070, 71, 72 and 73 have full blinds for the 152, baring in mind your Y reg. Darts are more likely to be used rather than a 10.5 metre bus (especially along Woodstock Way and Meopham Road where a 10.0 metre Trident can just about pass through). It's about time your Tridents had their blinds updated to include 152 (just like Merton's PVL fleet having 200, 219, 163, 164, 170, 355, etc). I also reckon your Enviro200 dual doored darts should have 3 and 157 on them. They already have G1, 100 and P13 on them.
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 14, 2008 2:22:39 GMT
It probably was 9737 that I noticed it on.
I can't imagine driving a volvo on the 152 route. I would love to try though ;D Woodstock way is the only road that frightens me as when another 152 approaches, one of them has to out their bus halfway on the curb to get pass. Its still a shock to me when I see DDs on the 152. Haven't seen one lately though.
I don't think they should update the blinds to include the 3 or 157 on the enviros just in case they would even get tempted to put them on it. Having seen the single deck on the 57, its struggles to get people on or off the bus and possibly causing delays to the others buses behind.
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Post by Volvo on Jan 14, 2008 2:47:42 GMT
That really would not be a good idea putting a single dekcer on route 3 or 157.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 15, 2008 2:36:28 GMT
It probably was 9737 that I noticed it on. I can't imagine driving a volvo on the 152 route. I would love to try though ;D Woodstock way is the only road that frightens me as when another 152 approaches, one of them has to out their bus halfway on the curb to get pass. Its still a shock to me when I see DDs on the 152. Haven't seen one lately though. 9703 was on it a few weeks ago (before Xmas). Nowadays though the odd buses are DA17 and DA18 (in old money). Not sure what the new numbering system is on those two Darts.
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