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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2008 21:07:24 GMT
I don't think they can move as the C3 contract states that they are to be refurbished and stay at QB at least for the remainder of the contract. The C3 contract was awarded with "existing buses from within the fleet", which does not necessarily mean the buses presently on it now. If you look at the 157, that was awarded with existing buses, yet some of them are older than the origional 157 batch. The route 3 contract was awarded with five brand new buses, with the rest of its pvr on extisting buses. The 'brand new buses' however were diverted and the 3 ended up with existing buses from within the fleet, ie the Volvos. But that changed again so that the Volvos disappeared, which means none of the allocated buses to route 3 are any newer than 02 reg. It seems that anything can happen regarding 'busical chairs' within Travel London. Thanks for clearing that up. I was on 9737 today, the best bus in the fleet now in my opnion (with 9766 rivalling it). Video shortly.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 22:41:45 GMT
[Be interesting to see if the E200's stay route bound to the 434 or are allocated freely with the existing MPD's on the 434/G1/P13. I like to see them mixed. Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract. They may want to try and get away with it but they are not doing themselves any favours. The 152 since the takeover from Centra seems to be sticking to the vehicles it should be. For a low frequency for TL on the 434 they have no excuses. Obivously spares or it straying onto other routes is possible.
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Post by M1104 on May 29, 2008 2:06:40 GMT
[Be interesting to see if the E200's stay route bound to the 434 or are allocated freely with the existing MPD's on the 434/G1/P13. I like to see them mixed. Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract. They may want to try and get away with it but they are not doing themselves any favours. The 152 since the takeover from Centra seems to be sticking to the vehicles it should be. ....baring in mind no other BC route can use 152 buses (too long for the G1/P13/434 and not enough capacity for the 3/N3/157).
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2008 8:34:57 GMT
"Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract."
Technically you probably are correct - but look at TC - The DW's should be on the 50,194&412 but they are freely intermeixed with DLA's on all routes. As long as the vehicles are compatible I do not think TfL worries too much. Again look at BC the 3 is supposed to have been mixed new/exisiting vehicles - the new vehicles turned out to be nearly new vehicles, which have since been moved to the 157 - bet there was not any change of contract.
Last thing - I was told that when a contract is awarded with new vehicles - the term does not directly relate to brand new vehicles - the term new vehicles I was told means vehicles less than 2 years old at the start of the contract. Is this correct? - if so would explain some of the vehicle shuffles you see, and the V's initially being allocated to the 3.
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Post by londonunited on May 29, 2008 9:48:51 GMT
Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract. They may want to try and get away with it but they are not doing themselves any favours. The 152 since the takeover from Centra seems to be sticking to the vehicles it should be. ....baring in mind no other BC route can use 152 buses (too long for the G1/P13/434 and not enough capacity for the 3/N3/157). There have been rare ocasions where DPs where on the 9.
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Post by M1104 on May 30, 2008 0:17:34 GMT
[Be interesting to see if the E200's stay route bound to the 434 or are allocated freely with the existing MPD's on the 434/G1/P13. I like to see them mixed. I understand that the route doesn't operate on Sundays, in which case they may let the new buses out to play on the P13 and/or G1.
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Post by M1104 on May 30, 2008 0:21:01 GMT
"Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract." Technically you probably are correct - but look at TC - The DW's should be on the 50,194&412 but they are freely intermeixed with DLA's on all routes. As long as the vehicles are compatible I do not think TfL worries too much. Again look at BC the 3 is supposed to have been mixed new/exisiting vehicles - the new vehicles turned out to be nearly new vehicles, which have since been moved to the 157 - bet there was not any change of contract. Last thing - I was told that when a contract is awarded with new vehicles - the term does not directly relate to brand new vehicles - the term new vehicles I was told means vehicles less than 2 years old at the start of the contract. Is this correct? - if so would explain some of the vehicle shuffles you see, and the V's initially being allocated to the 3. The 139 is another route that has older buses, and their Tridents go back to T reg.
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Post by M1104 on May 30, 2008 0:24:50 GMT
"Shouldn't be. They were awarded the route with new buses not current. Should they be throwing whatever they like they are obviously breeching their contract." Technically you probably are correct - but look at TC - The DW's should be on the 50,194&412 but they are freely intermeixed with DLA's on all routes. As long as the vehicles are compatible I do not think TfL worries too much. Again look at BC the 3 is supposed to have been mixed new/exisiting vehicles - the new vehicles turned out to be nearly new vehicles, which have since been moved to the 157 - bet there was not any change of contract. Last thing - I was told that when a contract is awarded with new vehicles - the term does not directly relate to brand new vehicles - the term new vehicles I was told means vehicles less than 2 years old at the start of the contract. Is this correct? - if so would explain some of the vehicle shuffles you see, and the V's initially being allocated to the 3. Does that mean the 452 can be operated with some Volvos on them, as they're almost as new as the Enviros...but also baring in mind the Enviros are euro_4 whereas the Volvos are euro_3.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 6:11:22 GMT
Does that mean the 452 can be operated with some Volvos on them, as they almost as new as the Enviros...but also baring in mind the Enviros are euro_4 whereeas the Volvos are euro_3. I am only saying what I have heard - not even sure it is true, plus I do not know the stance of Tfl towards euro3 and euro4 buses, although it must be said most garages seem to be making efforts to keep the newer buses on the correct route these days. With euro3 and euro4, SWs allocation of the 24 & 196 Enviro's would indicate this not to be an issue, as the E1-15 & E38/39 are euro3 examples if I am not mistaken
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 9:03:00 GMT
With euro3 and euro4, SWs allocation of the 24 & 196 Enviro's would indicate this not to be an issue, as the E1-15 & E38/39 are euro3 examples if I am not mistaken E1-15 and E38/E39 are actually Euro4, rather than Euro3. Indeed E1-15 were the first Euro4 Enviro400s to be introduced in London.
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2008 11:39:43 GMT
With euro3 and euro4, SWs allocation of the 24 & 196 Enviro's would indicate this not to be an issue, as the E1-15 & E38/39 are euro3 examples if I am not mistaken E1-15 and E38/E39 are actually Euro4, rather than Euro3. Indeed E1-15 were the first Euro4 Enviro400s to be introduced in London. Isn't that the same for E16-E37 for London Central as well?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 11:54:34 GMT
With euro3 and euro4, SWs allocation of the 24 & 196 Enviro's would indicate this not to be an issue, as the E1-15 & E38/39 are euro3 examples if I am not mistaken E1-15 and E38/E39 are actually Euro4, rather than Euro3. Indeed E1-15 were the first Euro4 Enviro400s to be introduced in London. Apologies, I thought they were to old to be Euro4 - that blows that argument right out of the water PS can anyone explain why Insert's original messages is not included in my 25 most recent messages when the time span covers this period?
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Post by M1104 on May 30, 2008 14:08:16 GMT
E1-15 and E38/E39 are actually Euro4, rather than Euro3. Indeed E1-15 were the first Euro4 Enviro400s to be introduced in London. Isn't that the same for E16-E37 for London Central as well? The only Enviro400s in London with euro_3 engines are the very first batch at Metroline on 06 reg. and the Spirit of London E400 at East London. I think the bonnet number is 18500.
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2008 14:13:06 GMT
Isn't that the same for E16-E37 for London Central as well? The only Enviro400s in London with euro_3 engines are the very first batch at Metroline on 06 reg. and the Spirit of London E400 at East London. I think the bonnet number is 18500. So the e400s coming out now are euro 5 engines. Steve may like this, 9737 refurbished in all its glory. It's a shame the driver didn't get much thrash out of it. youtube.com/watch?v=vJPcWkQo680
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Post by 6HP502C on May 30, 2008 14:43:22 GMT
The 139 is another route that has older buses, and their Tridents go back to T reg. Metroline have quite a few T reg Presidents and V reg ALX400s, but they're all Voiths, which doesn't really float my boat!
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