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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2019 16:29:57 GMT
Not sure how long ago this order was placed, but it might be tight delivery timescale to get those first 7 for route 278 in next 7 weeks Wonder if the route will start with a temporary fleet (and if so what) I believe the firm still have surplus Enviros with those ex-452's E40Ds which are not officially allocated to any route, essentially floaters if you'll pardon the pun. There's also around four MMC E40Hs recently released from the phased LT conversion of the 415, whether they've been officially reallocated I'm not sure. If there's insufficient hybrids diesel buses could be allocated to the 49 or C3¹ on a temporary basis to temporarily release hybrids. ¹ - probably unlikely as I imagine the firm want to keep that route sweet, it been up for retender
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Post by rj131 on Oct 19, 2019 16:47:42 GMT
Not sure how long ago this order was placed, but it might be tight delivery timescale to get those first 7 for route 278 in next 7 weeks Wonder if the route will start with a temporary fleet (and if so what) I believe the firm still have surplus Enviro400s with those ex-452's E40Ds which are not officially allocated to any route, essentially floaters if you'll pardon the pun. There's also around four MMC E40Hs recently released from the phased LT conversion of the 415, whether they've been officially reallocated I'm not sure. If there's insufficient hybrids diesel buses could be allocated to the 49 or C3¹ on a temporary basis to temporarily release hybrids. ¹ - probably unlikely as I imagine the firm want to keep that route sweet, it's been up for retender I don’t really see the point in all of a sudden using 14-reg hybrids (ie it’s allocated vehicles) on the C3 just because it’s up for retender, it’s not exactly like TfL can’t just see what buses they’ve been using on the route for yonks now like we can
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 19, 2019 16:58:38 GMT
Is "buses for the 278" the new "Arriva HVs?"
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2019 17:04:37 GMT
I don’t really see the point in all of a sudden using 14-reg hybrids (ie it’s allocated vehicles) on the C3 just because it’s up for retender, it’s not exactly like TfL can’t just see what buses they’ve been using on the route for yonks now like we can There were plans to do similar with the 414 according to LOTS, though that was to enable the allocated E40Ds to return off lease. For the moment that plan appears to have been put aside, presumably due to the 278 requirement.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2019 17:07:35 GMT
Is "buses for the 278" the new "Arriva HVs?" New and existing E40Hs.
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 19, 2019 18:08:48 GMT
49 Enviro400H MMC Smart Hybrids have been ordered for routes 270, 278, 285 and 482 (Source: LOTS) Noooooooo, not more diesel MMCs! Although I guess people will be happy that the 427 may not have to be changed in order to start the 278
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Post by WSD3 on Oct 19, 2019 18:35:13 GMT
With the 278 could they not use the remaining ex 452 enviro 400's until the 400D's are in service?
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Post by rif153 on Oct 19, 2019 18:48:15 GMT
49 Enviro400H MMC Smart Hybrids have been ordered for routes 270, 278, 285 and 482 (Source: LOTS) Noooooooo, not more diesel MMCs! Although I guess people will be happy that the 427 may not have to be changed in order to start the 278 If the 427's cutback is postponed then I'll be over the moon, cutting the route back before Crossrail opens would be ludicrous. This would also give Abellio some surplus MMCs to use for future bids, as the 427's cutback will presumably still go ahead and still release about fourteen buses.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2019 19:05:50 GMT
With the 278 could they not use the remaining ex 452 enviro 400's until the 400D's are in service? I imagine as it's a new contract they will try to free up hybrids.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2019 19:23:09 GMT
49 Enviro400H MMC Smart Hybrids have been ordered for routes 270, 278, 285 and 482 (Source: LOTS) Noooooooo, not more diesel MMCs! I don't mind the Smart MMCs for the sake of variety within the Mitcham area. I am however gutted that these batch will have the intelligent speed limiters on them, which probably means they may not be able to go into top gear along route until Garrett Lane, dependent on how the gearbox is set out in those buses. However it does leave opportunity for the regular E40Hs to be used on route as odd workers.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 19, 2019 19:29:48 GMT
Not sure how long ago this order was placed, but it might be tight delivery timescale to get those first 7 for route 278 in next 7 weeks Wonder if the route will start with a temporary fleet (and if so what) I believe the firm still have surplus Enviros with those ex-452's E40Ds which are not officially allocated to any route, essentially floaters if you'll pardon the pun. There's also around four MMC E40Hs recently released from the phased LT conversion of the 415, whether they've been officially reallocated I'm not sure. If there's insufficient hybrids diesel buses could be allocated to the 49 or C3¹ on a temporary basis to temporarily release hybrids. ¹ - probably unlikely as I imagine the firm want to keep that route sweet, it been up for retender I mean it would be quite cool if the 278 got some 56-reg Enviro 400s in the short term to give the route some character - I just hope the route doesn't get a batch of gutless Enviro 400s from QB with the 56-reg kept there for use.
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 19, 2019 22:11:00 GMT
I believe the firm still have surplus Enviros with those ex-452's E40Ds which are not officially allocated to any route, essentially floaters if you'll pardon the pun. There's also around four MMC E40Hs recently released from the phased LT conversion of the 415, whether they've been officially reallocated I'm not sure. If there's insufficient hybrids diesel buses could be allocated to the 49 or C3¹ on a temporary basis to temporarily release hybrids. ¹ - probably unlikely as I imagine the firm want to keep that route sweet, it been up for retender I mean it would be quite cool if the 278 got some 56-reg Enviro 400s in the short term to give the route some character - I just hope the route doesn't get a batch of gutless Enviro 400s from QB with the 56-reg kept there for use. Pretty much all of Abellio's Euro 4 E400s have been heavily performance restricted. Occasionally the odd one gets returned to the factory performance settings but the engineering department eventually re-restricts them.
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Post by portman227 on Oct 20, 2019 0:27:54 GMT
Not entirely sure why 8843 has been retained for route 130's PVR increase when it could have been straight-swapped for 8787 at TF and join 8831-8842 on route 490. 8787 was also refurbished around the same time as when the 130 was taken over by Abellio in the first place (the 433's contract was renewed in May 2017) so doesn't need any work doing to it, unlike 8843 which should in theory be due for a refurbishment being 5 years old, unless it gets refurbished against the 201 contract. The 130 doesn't pass through any Green Bus Zones too so why Abellio didn't think about this is beyond me. I could see it happen eventually though once the 490's refurbs are near completion. 8787 wouldn’t be going anywhere as it’s officially allocated to 490 and part of its batch so it makes sense for 8843 to stay behind.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 20, 2019 3:27:34 GMT
I think the fleets will be 2006-14 for route 482 2015-28 for route 270 2029-45 for route 285 2046-54 for route 278 Please correct me if wrong 7 buses for the 278 9 buses for the 482 15 buses for the 270 17 buses for the 285 EDIT: it's been said that the first 7 are for the 278, them likely to be 2006‐12 A TVR of 15 is quite odd for a route that has a PVR of 13 - generally a 13 PVR route only has 1 spare so wonder why they ordered an extra one for the 270?
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Post by snowman on Oct 20, 2019 5:44:20 GMT
I think the fleets will be 2006-14 for route 482 2015-28 for route 270 2029-45 for route 285 2046-54 for route 278 Please correct me if wrong 7 buses for the 278 9 buses for the 482 15 buses for the 270 17 buses for the 285 EDIT: it's been said that the first 7 are for the 278, them likely to be 2006‐12 Putting them in date order would have helped 278 starts 7 Dec (at WS) part fleet alongside older buses 482 starts 21 Mar (at GW) 270 starts 30 May (at QB) 285 starts 27 June (at TF) I’m not 100% that Ihave got the correct garages, but first five 2001-2005 are at GW for part of 207, but not sure if these have the newly gained 482 on their blinds. It does actually make some of the Abellio West London garages a rather mixed fleet of double decks, with mix of classic diesel E400s, E400 hybrids, E400H MMCs, and now E400 MMC smart
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