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Post by mondraker275 on Feb 6, 2024 8:30:02 GMT
This is not really a consultation and more a request for evidence. To take this long for this minor step seems disappointing. This step could of happened 10 years ago. It could be another 10 years before we see a station.
Progress is progress I guess.
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Post by britishguy54 on Feb 6, 2024 9:37:00 GMT
Well, I guess it’s nice to see this idea finally on a consultation.
Thamesmead is in dire need of a rail service, even if it isn’t the Overground.
Ideally I would have extended the DLR to Thamesmead as proposed, but also extend it further back across the River Thames into Barking Riverside and Dagenham Dock (a revival of the old plan). Or perhaps a secret link between Beckton and Beckton Riverside for certain services.
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Post by busman on Feb 6, 2024 17:27:01 GMT
Whilst I do think Thamesmead needs a station, I'm not convinced the DLR is the right way to go. Probably in the minority but I'd rather the extra money was poured into an Overground extension for all the extra links that will come which would open many possibilities. Also, I don't think the 15 minute frequency should be a barrier - I'm a bit miffed why it's bad for Thamesmead but ok for many areas which may only see a 30 minute frequency or less on there respective line. Or go the whole hog and stick both options in - obviously it won't happen (mainly because this country likes doing everything on the cheap, not even confirming they will safeguard a route for any further extension from Thamesmead) but I'm not sure one or the other will have the desired impact they think. I personally think extending the Hammersmith and City line would’ve been the best option by far, but this country is too behind to ever make that a reality. Completely agree with both these comments. London Overground would open up far better links than the Beckton branch of the DLR. From Thamesmead, the DLR is easily accessible via the Elizabeth line to Custom House from Abbey Wood and the DLR from Woolwich. The issue with extending the LO is that it would be a victim of its own success. Direct links to Barking and North London would see people travelling into Thamesmead to make those unique journeys. Sadly a 15 minute frequency would see trains rammed before they reached Barking Riverside. I think it is short sighted not to build a road tunnel next to the DLR tunnel for buses and emergency vehicles. That would potentially open up north-south crossings to a variety of destinations whilst appeasing nimbys here who prefer a non-functional ferry crossing to a proper road link. As for the rapid bus gimmick nonsense, as I’ve said elsewhere on this forum it’s a waste of money and totally unnecessary. This talk has been going on since before the creation of the 472. All they need to do is extend the SL3 one stop to Woolwich. Job done. If Peabody stop land banking and actually build stuff quickly around here, routes like the 301 and 472 could have enhanced frequencies. It doesn’t require anything fancy and bus prioritisation is excellent between Thamesmead and Woolwich apart from some issues accessing the eastbound bus lane after the junction with Burrage Road. Hopefully they build the station at Thamesmead with future ability to accommodate the LO as well as a future extension. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 6, 2024 19:17:35 GMT
Whilst I do think Thamesmead needs a station, I'm not convinced the DLR is the right way to go. Probably in the minority but I'd rather the extra money was poured into an Overground extension for all the extra links that will come which would open many possibilities. Also, I don't think the 15 minute frequency should be a barrier - I'm a bit miffed why it's bad for Thamesmead but ok for many areas which may only see a 30 minute frequency or less on there respective line. Or go the whole hog and stick both options in - obviously it won't happen (mainly because this country likes doing everything on the cheap, not even confirming they will safeguard a route for any further extension from Thamesmead) but I'm not sure one or the other will have the desired impact they think. I personally think extending the Hammersmith and City line would’ve been the best option by far, but this country is too behind to ever make that a reality. I'm not sure how they'd get the H&C line across the existing infrastructure West of Barking to get it to head south of the river. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Feb 6, 2024 21:19:59 GMT
This is not really a consultation and more a request for evidence. To take this long for this minor step seems disappointing. This step could of happened 10 years ago. It could be another 10 years before we see a station. Progress is progress I guess. The timeline in the FAQ which states that it could be opened in the early 2030s is really optimistic.
At least the BRT (yet to be consulted on) could be up and running in 2 years supposedly!
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Post by buspete on Feb 7, 2024 0:35:32 GMT
The original Jubilee Line extention was going to go to Thamesmead Town Centre. The link below shows the original Jubilee Line extention and viewing that extention seems bonkers now. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_lineSo if Thamesmead needed a heavy rail line it would seem sensible not to of brought the Elizabeth Line up to the surface at Plumstead and build an Underground Station at Abbey Wood then continue to Thamesmead, then if you are still drilling underground at Thamesmead you might as well go under the Thames with the same boring machine to Barking Reach, which all this seems far fetched? Maybe Thamesmead isn’t populated enough to sustain a heavy rail station and being so expensive too, it’s too populated for a low frequency light rail. So caught in a vicious circle. If Thamesmead had a rail station how many people would need to catch a bus to get to the station? When residents can do this already to Abbey Wood. A similar dense housing development being Beckton Reach the other side of the river has a more frequent bus service, a bus ever 6 minutes, so a good starting point would be to have a more higher frequent bus service. Thamesmead has several bus services, which none are particularly really frequent and it is very possible to wait for a bus for many minutes and two or three buses arrive at the same time. |
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 7, 2024 7:23:53 GMT
Wouldn't be better to extended DLR and London overground Thamesmead and add Frequent Bus service. Withing the area sometimes Publice might want to get bus to high Street.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 7, 2024 11:37:12 GMT
Wouldn't be better to extended DLR and London overground Thamesmead and add Frequent Bus service. Withing the area sometimes Publice might want to get bus to high Street. I think DLR is the most cost effective and goes straight into the city where most people travel (pre COVID) , Overground goes North London which doesn't really connect with anyone , Barking is overcrowded as it is in peaks and in reality needs rebuilding or re-designing the one set of stairs to the entrance exit even when the new entrance exits are finished will be inadequate , really a spur of the Liz line would of been good but I think either the DLR extension is best option or an actual proper BRT system like ELT but on steroids would be a good fit for now , Thamesmead is lucky in that the road connections are quite good and fast to Woolwich or Dartford . |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 7, 2024 12:16:27 GMT
Wouldn't be better to extended DLR and London overground Thamesmead and add Frequent Bus service. Withing the area sometimes Publice might want to get bus to high Street. I think DLR is the most cost effective and goes straight into the city where most people travel (pre COVID) , Overground goes North London which doesn't really connect with anyone , Barking is overcrowded as it is in peaks and in reality needs rebuilding or re-designing the one set of stairs to the entrance exit even when the new entrance exits are finished will be inadequate , really a spur of the Liz line would of been good but I think either the DLR extension is best option or an actual proper BRT system like ELT but on steroids would be a good fit for now , Thamesmead is lucky in that the road connections are quite good and fast to Woolwich or Dartford . Although how many people would slog in on the DLR? The Beckton branch is very tedious with the amount of stops and the Overground changing onto the c2c would be a far quicker option. However I do agree that Barking is in no way able to handle any additional passengers. |
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Post by TB123 on Feb 7, 2024 12:33:33 GMT
Interesting to read within this consultation that they hope to have the Thamesmead Bus Rapid Transit scheme (bare in mind this already has £23million funding committed so is likely to go ahead as planned) delivered in 2026 - given the pace of many other BRT schemes over the years this seems remarkably ambitious, but I wouldn't complain if this does happen so promptly
I personally suspect this will be a jazzed-up 472 (the map is remarkably similar), potentially with a new route number - similar to the original Greenwich Waterfront Transit proposal back in the noughties. I also wouldn't be surprised if articulated vehicles were considered for this.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2024 12:49:32 GMT
I think DLR is the most cost effective and goes straight into the city where most people travel (pre COVID) , Overground goes North London which doesn't really connect with anyone , Barking is overcrowded as it is in peaks and in reality needs rebuilding or re-designing the one set of stairs to the entrance exit even when the new entrance exits are finished will be inadequate , really a spur of the Liz line would of been good but I think either the DLR extension is best option or an actual proper BRT system like ELT but on steroids would be a good fit for now , Thamesmead is lucky in that the road connections are quite good and fast to Woolwich or Dartford . Although how many people would slog in on the DLR? The Beckton branch is very tedious with the amount of stops and the Overground changing onto the c2c would be a far quicker option. However I do agree that Barking is in no way able to handle any additional passengers. Not only that but the Overground opens up a lot of new links that the DLR could only dream of. The frequent SL3 also will link with Abbey Wood for Elizabeth line down the road. Isn’t Barking going to have extra capacity as a result of the current works at the station? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 7, 2024 12:51:36 GMT
Although how many people would slog in on the DLR? The Beckton branch is very tedious with the amount of stops and the Overground changing onto the c2c would be a far quicker option. However I do agree that Barking is in no way able to handle any additional passengers. Not only that but the Overground opens up a lot of new links that the DLR could only dream of. The frequent SL3 also will link with Abbey Wood for Elizabeth line down the road. Isn’t Barking going to have extra capacity as a result of the current works at the station? The dream of installing escalators and widening hallways seems to have been watered down to only having an extra gateline, which itself is progressing slower than a snail. Really a quick fire way to introduce capacity would be to reopen the rear entrance but I imagine they're not keen on installing a few barriers there. |
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 7, 2024 16:26:46 GMT
Not only that but the Overground opens up a lot of new links that the DLR could only dream of. The frequent SL3 also will link with Abbey Wood for Elizabeth line down the road. Isn’t Barking going to have extra capacity as a result of the current works at the station? The dream of installing escalators and widening hallways seems to have been watered down to only having an extra gateline, which itself is progressing slower than a snail. Really a quick fire way to introduce capacity would be to reopen the rear entrance but I imagine they're not keen on installing a few barriers there. That's exactly what it needs even an additional two entrances maybe even pave over platform 1 and a entrance there to that side ? But it's a very rundown busy station the current upgrade I don't think will do much as essentially all the islands only have one way in and one way out , the platforms are all tired and have bumps and lumps in them , it still has network south east signage ( which I think should be renovated and kept but not looking in the shabby near 40 year old state it's in) but it definitely couldn't handle much much more patronage , However Overground - c2c does make sense I suppose would be quicker than the Beckton Branch . |
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Post by va59 on Feb 9, 2024 11:18:59 GMT
The Bakerloo extension was also consulted on. When is the Bakerloo extension to Lewisham happening? It won't be happening in our lifetime. |
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