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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 9:05:44 GMT
My excess deaths comment refers to all causes, not just those who died directly from covid but also those who died because other treatments were not available during the crisis, or because people were reluctant to go into healthcare settings. Even today we have people who are sicker than they would have been, because they had treatment cancelled or postponed due to lack of capacity in the health service whilst it was dealing with the covid emergency, or because they were unable or unwiling to seek timely intervention. Like I said other countries weren’t including things like this in their officially published figures so whilst it is technically correct to say the UK excess deaths was amongst the highest excess deaths there is absolutely no way to verify this. At least we agree that the UK did have one of the highest excess death rates, even if we don't agree on the methodology. My point is still that had the Government managed the covid pandemic more competently, fewer people would have died. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 9:10:51 GMT
Like I said other countries weren’t including things like this in their officially published figures so whilst it is technically correct to say the UK excess deaths was amongst the highest excess deaths there is absolutely no way to verify this. At least we agree that the UK did have one of the highest excess death rates, even if we don't agree on the methodology. My point is still that had the Government managed the covid pandemic more competently, fewer people would have died. What would you have done differently? From my perspective I don’t think any other individual country did that well in managing covid. I know people cite New Zealand as a success but they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world, foolishly shutting down everything with even a single case. |
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 9:11:05 GMT
Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. Well the voters are quite happy to have him stay. Those who didn't turn up effectively voted for Khan by not doing so. 17% of the share? Doesn’t equate to all Londoners, those who didn’t vote rightly or wrongly “didn’t vote for khan by not voting” they didn’t vote because of a lack of a good opposition which in truth shouldn’t have been that hard. Even so those who voted for him or didn’t vote at all no longer have the right to complain when crime hikes up again, new lines being named to appease lefty types or when things don’t change after three terms. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2024 9:18:52 GMT
Well the voters are quite happy to have him stay. Those who didn't turn up effectively voted for Khan by not doing so. 17% of the share? Doesn’t equate to all Londoners, those who didn’t vote rightly or wrongly “didn’t vote for khan by not voting” they didn’t vote because of a lack of a good opposition which in truth shouldn’t have been that hard. Even so those who voted for him or didn’t vote at all no longer have the right to complain when crime hikes up again, new lines being named to appease lefty types or when things don’t change after three terms. I don't think anyone who voted for Khan will have many complaints when they played a part in keeping a far right candidate far away from power. Anyone who abstained had the power to remove Khan, but they didn't despite all polls showing that he would have a swimming victory. They didn't bother to show up which, if as you say, people are actually dissatisfied they should have and could potentially have made a change. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 9:26:17 GMT
Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. Whilst that 2nd sentence is true, it could easily say The London Mayor had 8 years to impress and they've failed to make things better. In fact things have got worse, he just blames everyone else other than himself, and gullible Londoners have just said we want more of this crap! Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere |
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 9:29:22 GMT
Whilst that 2nd sentence is true, it could easily say The London Mayor had 8 years to impress and they've failed to make things better. In fact things have got worse, he just blames everyone else other than himself, and gullible Londoners have just said we want more of this crap! Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere So just for clarity only Pro Left / Khan comments are allowed in this thread?
This whole thread is descending into the gutter and not just individual comments.
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 9:30:33 GMT
In your opinion the worst yes, but not the opinion of London? I’ve heard my local nursery has places free. It was a 40% voter turnout, hardly showing signs of enthusiasm for Khan. What about your nursery? What’s that got to do with anything? 2000 turnout - 33% 2004 turnout - 37% 2008 turnout - 45% 2012 turnout - 38% 2016 turnout - 45% 2021 turnout - 42% 2024 turnout - 41% Really a big difference? |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 9:32:42 GMT
Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere So just for clarity only Pro Left / Khan comments are allowed in this thread?
This whole thread is descending into the gutter and not just individual comments.
No of course not but painting a large majority of Londoners with the same brush because an election didn’t go an individuals way is disgusting. The implication is that anyone that voted SK is gullible is disingenuous. He/she should use reasoned argument when engaging in debate. I’m sure there are moderators on here who can close the thread down if the wish |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2024 9:34:17 GMT
Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere So just for clarity only Pro Left / Khan comments are allowed in this thread?
This whole thread is descending into the gutter and not just individual comments.
It's not pro-left though is it? It is about accepting the results of the election which took place. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 9:51:09 GMT
If it weren't for the ULEZ expansion most people in Biggin Hill probably wouldn't much care about the mayoral election. You keep harping on about Biggin Hill as if it’s this big London Town. It’s a population of 10k vs nearly 9 million in the whole of London. I also mentioned Orpington and it's the same in much of outer London, they don't need or want the ULEZ expansion but they were totally ignored. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 5, 2024 9:52:57 GMT
Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. Well the voters are quite happy to have him stay. Those who didn't turn up effectively voted for Khan by not doing so. Let’s not forget new voting laws such as the requirement to show up with Voter ID likely reduced turnout even further. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 9:53:03 GMT
So just for clarity only Pro Left / Khan comments are allowed in this thread?
This whole thread is descending into the gutter and not just individual comments.
No of course not but painting a large majority of Londoners with the same brush because an election didn’t go an individuals way is disgusting. The implication is that anyone that voted SK is gullible is disingenuous. He/she should use reasoned argument when engaging in debate. I’m sure there are moderators on here who can close the thread down if the wish And isn't you calling Tories "filthy" equally disgusting? You're entitled to your opinion but I don't think there's any need for that. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
You keep harping on about Biggin Hill as if it’s this big London Town. It’s a population of 10k vs nearly 9 million in the whole of London. I also mentioned Orpington and it's the same in much of outer London, they don't need or want the ULEZ expansion but they were totally ignored. But that’s the system? Some outer London boroughs voted FOR SK? I’m really not sure what you’re suggesting? My constituency didn’t vote for Brexit but got it? Have I been ignored? Should there be another system for my constituency? If ULEZ was such a big issue as you’re making out, why wasn’t SH voted in? Should Orpington have a separate mayor? |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 9:58:47 GMT
At least we agree that the UK did have one of the highest excess death rates, even if we don't agree on the methodology. My point is still that had the Government managed the covid pandemic more competently, fewer people would have died. What would you have done differently? From my perspective I don’t think any other individual country did that well in managing covid. I know people cite New Zealand as a success but they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world, foolishly shutting down everything with even a single case. It seems many New Zealanders were far from happy with their governments handling of the pandemic and let's be honest, every government in the world could have dealt with it better with the benefit of hindsight. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 10:00:48 GMT
No of course not but painting a large majority of Londoners with the same brush because an election didn’t go an individuals way is disgusting. The implication is that anyone that voted SK is gullible is disingenuous. He/she should use reasoned argument when engaging in debate. I’m sure there are moderators on here who can close the thread down if the wish And isn't you calling Tories "filthy" equally disgusting? You're entitled to your opinion but I don't think there's any need for that. The party and its management as well as their MPs and all they represent for clarity, not those who voted/vote for them |
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