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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 23:55:01 GMT
I think routes 380 & 469 could be merged into a single Lewisham - Woolwich - Erith route. The 469 section to QEH could be replaced by route 99. One of the features of both routes is that they’re designed to serve back roads and estates (Maryon Park, Woolwich Dockyard, Gallions Reach, Abbey Estate) and a merger would likely wreck the reliability of both the Lewisham and Erith ends, especially on the 469. Not my timeline, but wasn’t the old 322 highly unreliable vjaska? A Lewisham to Erith route via every other street is a comparison I think is justified. Yes, at one point it was the least reliable route in London under Connex as the Elephant to Brixton section couldn't handle the heavy loadings - as lovely as the single door single deckers were, they were woefully inadequate and the 196 taking over that section was an excellent change and allowed the 322 to be reliable in it's new Clapham Common to Crystal Palace form |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 28, 2024 9:44:33 GMT
I think routes 126 & B16 could be merged into a single Bromley - Eltham - Bexleyheath route. The section of route B16 between Eltham & Kidbrooke could be replaced by an extension of route 233.
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Post by someone on Apr 28, 2024 12:19:12 GMT
I think routes 126 & B16 could be merged into a single Bromley - Eltham - Bexleyheath route. The section of route B16 between Eltham & Kidbrooke could be replaced by an extension of route 233. But that would mean that the 233 wouldn't serve Eltham station. I suppose it could follow the 122 but that would make its journey rather congested - maybe route it via Sherard Road as some sort of a compromise? |
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Post by ronnie on Apr 28, 2024 20:10:44 GMT
I think routes 126 & B16 could be merged into a single Bromley - Eltham - Bexleyheath route. The section of route B16 between Eltham & Kidbrooke could be replaced by an extension of route 233. Would be helpful to understand the rationale Frequencies of the 126 and B16 are quite different. The 126 is a high frequency route running every 8 min in peaks while the B16 is every 15 min at best, dropping to 20 min post 7pm. The route would also need 80-90 min end to end; not inpossible but the frequency difference might make it difficult |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 4, 2024 21:56:32 GMT
I think routes 240 & 340 could be merged into a single Golders Green to Harrow via Edgware and Harrow Weald route.
As route 15 is so short, it could merge with route 115 and return to East Ham.
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Post by bk10mfe on May 4, 2024 22:19:04 GMT
I think routes 240 & 340 could be merged into a single Golders Green to Harrow via Edgware and Harrow Weald route. As route 15 is so short, it could merge with route 115 and return to East Ham. The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere |
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Post by greg on May 5, 2024 0:34:13 GMT
I think routes 240 & 340 could be merged into a single Golders Green to Harrow via Edgware and Harrow Weald route. As route 15 is so short, it could merge with route 115 and return to East Ham. The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere I could justify a 15 extension to Canning Town to be honest |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 5, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere I could justify a 15 extension to Canning Town to be honest I have always thought you could divert the 330 towards Canary Wharf/Crossharbour to give that area more links towards Canning Town/Newham. You could even go as far as to revert the 241/474 changes, with the only difference being that the 474 would perform a double run to serve Royal Wharf. |
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Post by borneobus on May 5, 2024 9:00:29 GMT
The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere I could justify a 15 extension to Canning Town to be honest Whilst not a local, I wonder if the terminus of the 15 is due to space considerations at Canning Town which always seems packed with buses, particular when Rail Replacement operating - meanwhile Blackwall DLR is a stress-free quiet location where you can easily park three 12 metre NRMs - and as you're aware Canning Town is just two stops from Blackwall on the DLR and plenty of opportunities on East India Dock Road to transfer from a 15 to a 115 if you really want to go to CT. |
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 9:09:33 GMT
I could justify a 15 extension to Canning Town to be honest Whilst not a local, I wonder if the terminus of the 15 is due to space considerations at Canning Town which always seems packed with buses, particular when Rail Replacement operating - meanwhile Blackwall DLR is a stress-free quiet location where you can easily park three 12 metre NRMs - and as you're aware Canning Town is just two stops from Blackwall on the DLR and plenty of opportunities on East India Dock Road to transfer from a 15 to a 115 if you really want to go to CT. An extension to Canning Town would certainly help out the busy 115. The Blackwall terminal has always felt a bit clumsy and not a suitable place to terminate a route like the 15.
Rail replacement buses generally no longer stand in the bus garage and there is a bit of space now that the 330 moved out.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 5, 2024 9:42:31 GMT
I think routes 240 & 340 could be merged into a single Golders Green to Harrow via Edgware and Harrow Weald route. As route 15 is so short, it could merge with route 115 and return to East Ham. The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere A restructure of the 15/115 could work more reliably if the 135 is involved as well. Merge the 15/135 together to operate between Trafalgar Square and Crossharbour - and could also swap with the D8 south of Canary Wharf to make it a bit more direct. Then if needed, extend the 115 towards Old Street, or at least as far as Liverpool Street. Plus a DD conversion of the D6 would be useful too, supporting the current 15's local link to Blackwall. And regarding the 288, a restructure with the 186 could maybe work, since the 186 is quite long and indirect. So could be split to operate between Brent Cross and Queensbury, and between Broadfields and Northwick Park? I would also then suggest a short extension of the 340 to Mill Hill Broadway, covering some of the 186's existing links across Edgware, but also introducing a new direct link between Stanmore and Mill Hill. At the same time you could also divert the 240 via Deansbrook Road (with the 340 replacing it via Hale Lane)? |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 5, 2024 17:38:28 GMT
The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere A restructure of the 15/115 could work more reliably if the 135 is involved as well. Merge the 15/135 together to operate between Trafalgar Square and Crossharbour - and could also swap with the D8 south of Canary Wharf to make it a bit more direct. Then if needed, extend the 115 towards Old Street, or at least as far as Liverpool Street. Plus a DD conversion of the D6 would be useful too, supporting the current 15's local link to Blackwall. And regarding the 288, a restructure with the 186 could maybe work, since the 186 is quite long and indirect. So could be split to operate between Brent Cross and Queensbury, and between Broadfields and Northwick Park? I would also then suggest a short extension of the 340 to Mill Hill Broadway, covering some of the 186's existing links across Edgware, but also introducing a new direct link between Stanmore and Mill Hill. At the same time you could also divert the 240 via Deansbrook Road (with the 340 replacing it via Hale Lane)? Definitely do not want any changes on 115 as it is quick and reliable. I suspect TfL will wait and see what impact the Silvertown tunnel has on surrounding area including Blackwall Tunnel and demand generally before making any changes which I would say will include most services in Canning Town. |
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 17:43:44 GMT
The 240 & 340 being merged doesn’t really do anything useful tbh, it would overall be a lot more useful to extend it towards Hampstead. If the 240 had to be merged onto another route, you could send it over the 288 to Queensbury, which would give Camrose Ave deckers at all times. The 303 could be extended to Broadfields Estate to cover the remaining section of the 288. The 340 should ideally swap termini with the 186 after Harrow, but otherwise doesn’t need to be changed. Regarding the 15/115, merging the 2 routes would make the extended 15 too unreliable & the 115 (as well as the 5), load very well on their corridors, which are best left as they are. The 15’s terminus though is sort of in the middle of nowhere A restructure of the 15/115 could work more reliably if the 135 is involved as well. Merge the 15/135 together to operate between Trafalgar Square and Crossharbour - and could also swap with the D8 south of Canary Wharf to make it a bit more direct. Then if needed, extend the 115 towards Old Street, or at least as far as Liverpool Street. Plus a DD conversion of the D6 would be useful too, supporting the current 15's local link to Blackwall. And regarding the 288, a restructure with the 186 could maybe work, since the 186 is quite long and indirect. So could be split to operate between Brent Cross and Queensbury, and between Broadfields and Northwick Park? I would also then suggest a short extension of the 340 to Mill Hill Broadway, covering some of the 186's existing links across Edgware, but also introducing a new direct link between Stanmore and Mill Hill. At the same time you could also divert the 240 via Deansbrook Road (with the 340 replacing it via Hale Lane)? I don’t understand every time the 15 comes up so does the idea to divert it on to the Isle Of Dogs! I knew this morning a post would appear and here it is. What is wrong with simply short extensions like to Canning Town? You don’t need to change so many other routes. |
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 17:48:15 GMT
A restructure of the 15/115 could work more reliably if the 135 is involved as well. Merge the 15/135 together to operate between Trafalgar Square and Crossharbour - and could also swap with the D8 south of Canary Wharf to make it a bit more direct. Then if needed, extend the 115 towards Old Street, or at least as far as Liverpool Street. Plus a DD conversion of the D6 would be useful too, supporting the current 15's local link to Blackwall. And regarding the 288, a restructure with the 186 could maybe work, since the 186 is quite long and indirect. So could be split to operate between Brent Cross and Queensbury, and between Broadfields and Northwick Park? I would also then suggest a short extension of the 340 to Mill Hill Broadway, covering some of the 186's existing links across Edgware, but also introducing a new direct link between Stanmore and Mill Hill. At the same time you could also divert the 240 via Deansbrook Road (with the 340 replacing it via Hale Lane)? Definitely do not want any changes on 115 as it is quick and reliable. I suspect TfL will wait and see what impact the Silvertown tunnel has on surrounding area including Blackwall Tunnel and demand generally before making any changes which I would say will include most services in Canning Town. I am not sure who’s responsible for the mess they are making on Silvertown Way but that’s going to make congestion worse and this is likely to be a key route towards the tunnel. I looked at Canning Town bus station again today and do suspect it will become one way in and one way out adding to journey times. All in the name of making cycling a priority. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 17:53:15 GMT
Definitely do not want any changes on 115 as it is quick and reliable. I suspect TfL will wait and see what impact the Silvertown tunnel has on surrounding area including Blackwall Tunnel and demand generally before making any changes which I would say will include most services in Canning Town. I am not sure who’s responsible for the mess they are making on Silvertown Way but that’s going to make congestion worse and this is likely to be a key route towards the tunnel. I looked at Canning Town bus station again today and do suspect it will become one way in and one way out adding to journey times. All in the same of making cycling a priority. Don't worry we have 4 more years of Mayor who will prioritie cycling over bus users so I'm sure the bus station will be awful before long. |
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