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Post by sam97 on May 15, 2024 17:38:52 GMT
I know this is mentioned but seriously, need to look at the N9. That route gets full so badly. If tfl won’t even consider to bump the route to every 20 minutes then could another night service help assist that? Or even extending an existing night service: extend 94 night service to Hounslow and renumber to N94?
(Yes, there was a consultation mentioning the N94, there are blinded too)
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2024 17:54:36 GMT
I know this is mentioned but seriously, need to look at the N9. That route gets full so badly. If tfl won’t even consider to bump the route to every 20 minutes then could another night service help assist that? Or even extending an existing night service: extend 94 night service to Hounslow and renumber to N94? (Yes, there was a consultation mentioning the N94, there are blinded too) Or restore the N27 to Turnham Green and maybe onto Brentford or even Hounslow. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 15, 2024 19:02:03 GMT
Definitely not a route needed to become a night service. If there was demand for such a service at night, the N321 extended to Battersea Park would probably be a better idea, though I doubt there would be demand. No point. Like DT11 said almost the whole route is covered by the N136 and the last few stops covered by the 344N. You even got the 36N running a lot of the route too. Yeah there definitely isn’t any point in extending the N321 to Battersea Park but at least under this scenario compared to making the 436 24hrs, it wouldn’t add extra unwanted capacity between Lewisham & New Cross. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 15, 2024 19:07:14 GMT
I know this is mentioned but seriously, need to look at the N9. That route gets full so badly. If tfl won’t even consider to bump the route to every 20 minutes then could another night service help assist that? Or even extending an existing night service: extend 94 night service to Hounslow and renumber to N94? (Yes, there was a consultation mentioning the N94, there are blinded too) Will the N94 take the 237’s LOR to Hounslow, but terminating at Bell Corner (E8 stand). This would mean some parts of Acton/Turnham Green would lose their bus service at night but I imagine that shouldn’t be a big deal. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 15, 2024 19:09:01 GMT
Could it be worth extending the N53 to Marylebone, with the 453(N) withdrawn? This would bring the N53 further into the West end than terminating randomly at Whitehall & also reduce capacity between Whitehall & Deptford.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2024 19:41:19 GMT
Could it be worth extending the N53 to Marylebone, with the 453(N) withdrawn? This would bring the N53 further into the West end than terminating randomly at Whitehall & also reduce capacity between Whitehall & Deptford. Its a shame the N11 and N53 still use Whitehall. Both to TSQ proper would be good for better connections. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 15, 2024 19:41:58 GMT
I know this is mentioned but seriously, need to look at the N9. That route gets full so badly. If tfl won’t even consider to bump the route to every 20 minutes then could another night service help assist that? Or even extending an existing night service: extend 94 night service to Hounslow and renumber to N94? (Yes, there was a consultation mentioning the N94, there are blinded too) Will the N94 take the 237’s LOR to Hounslow, but terminating at Bell Corner (E8 stand). This would mean some parts of Acton/Turnham Green would lose their bus service at night but I imagine that shouldn’t be a big deal. Or, hear me out, leave the 94N alone and extend the N27 to Hounslow instead. An extended N27 could alleviate the N9 from Hounslow bus station to High Street Kensington, a much longer distance than a proposed N94 extension. Passengers from Hounslow can easily change buses at Hammersmith (N72, 220, 295) for Shepherd's Bush. I think the N27 is the only night route that is shorter than its day variant. It might as well be extended, it is the more cost effective option over the 94N. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2024 19:46:29 GMT
Will the N94 take the 237’s LOR to Hounslow, but terminating at Bell Corner (E8 stand). This would mean some parts of Acton/Turnham Green would lose their bus service at night but I imagine that shouldn’t be a big deal. Or, hear me out, leave the 94N alone and extend the N27 to Hounslow instead. An extended N27 could alleviate the N9 from Hounslow bus station to High Street Kensington, a much longer distance than a proposed N94 extension. Passengers from Hounslow can easily change buses at Hammersmith (N72, 220, 295) for Shepherd's Bush. I think the N27 is the only night route that is shorter than its day variant. It might as well be extended, it is the more cost effective option over the 94N. I was surprised in 2019 the (N)27 was cut back when the N53, N83 and N266 had all been created in order to keep the Night services the same when the day routes were cut back. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 15, 2024 22:54:32 GMT
Could it be worth extending the N53 to Marylebone, with the 453(N) withdrawn? This would bring the N53 further into the West end than terminating randomly at Whitehall & also reduce capacity between Whitehall & Deptford. An extended N53 to Marylebone would see a total journey time of 69 mins during weeknights and about 77 minutes during the weekends. Entirely workable, but there are a couple issues. First is that Old Kent Road needs the combined capacity of the N53 and 453 during weekend nights; TfL tried to cut both routes down to 3bph during the weekends after the introduction of Night Overground and both routes struggled. Both the N53 and 453N were increased to every 15 mins a couple months in. Second thing to mention is the N53 crossing the heart of central London will open it up to more disruption, delays and diversions. People on Plumstead Common will pay the price for problems at Piccadilly Circus. |
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Post by abellion on May 16, 2024 4:59:03 GMT
Could it be worth extending the N53 to Marylebone, with the 453(N) withdrawn? This would bring the N53 further into the West end than terminating randomly at Whitehall & also reduce capacity between Whitehall & Deptford. An extended N53 to Marylebone would see a total journey time of 69 mins during weeknights and about 77 minutes during the weekends. Entirely workable, but there are a couple issues. First is that Old Kent Road needs the combined capacity of the N53 and 453 during weekend nights; TfL tried to cut both routes down to 3bph during the weekends after the introduction of Night Overground and both routes struggled. Both the N53 and 453N were increased to every 15 mins a couple months in. Second thing to mention is the N53 crossing the heart of central London will open it up to more disruption, delays and diversions. People on Plumstead Common will pay the price for problems at Piccadilly Circus. I remember seeing a 453 and N53 arrive southbound at Elephant around 4am together a few months ago and I thought it was weird to see them timed so close together, however based on how packed they were and the number of waiting passengers people would’ve been left behind had there just been one of the two! |
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Post by sam97 on May 16, 2024 12:37:52 GMT
Will the N94 take the 237’s LOR to Hounslow, but terminating at Bell Corner (E8 stand). This would mean some parts of Acton/Turnham Green would lose their bus service at night but I imagine that shouldn’t be a big deal. Or, hear me out, leave the 94N alone and extend the N27 to Hounslow instead. An extended N27 could alleviate the N9 from Hounslow bus station to High Street Kensington, a much longer distance than a proposed N94 extension. Passengers from Hounslow can easily change buses at Hammersmith (N72, 220, 295) for Shepherd's Bush. I think the N27 is the only night route that is shorter than its day variant. It might as well be extended, it is the more cost effective option over the 94N. The N27 would make sense. Could take it to Hounslow, Bell corner. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 16, 2024 13:04:51 GMT
Will the N94 take the 237’s LOR to Hounslow, but terminating at Bell Corner (E8 stand). This would mean some parts of Acton/Turnham Green would lose their bus service at night but I imagine that shouldn’t be a big deal. Or, hear me out, leave the 94N alone and extend the N27 to Hounslow instead. An extended N27 could alleviate the N9 from Hounslow bus station to High Street Kensington, a much longer distance than a proposed N94 extension. Passengers from Hounslow can easily change buses at Hammersmith (N72, 220, 295) for Shepherd's Bush. I think the N27 is the only night route that is shorter than its day variant. It might as well be extended, it is the more cost effective option over the 94N. The N27 isn’t the only one that’s shorter. The (N)102 only runs between Golders Green and Edmonton Green. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 16, 2024 13:20:21 GMT
Or, hear me out, leave the 94N alone and extend the N27 to Hounslow instead. An extended N27 could alleviate the N9 from Hounslow bus station to High Street Kensington, a much longer distance than a proposed N94 extension. Passengers from Hounslow can easily change buses at Hammersmith (N72, 220, 295) for Shepherd's Bush. I think the N27 is the only night route that is shorter than its day variant. It might as well be extended, it is the more cost effective option over the 94N. The N27 would make sense. Could take it to Hounslow, Bell corner. There is that option, though with the 222 already covering that stretch and the 111 and 281 serving AV at night, that's why I proposed it should terminate there. So long as there's toilet facilities at Bell Corner, I wouldn't totally be against it. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 20, 2024 21:04:11 GMT
Could the 34’s & 307’s night services that they used to have be worth reintroducing? Alternatively having the 313 becoming a night service instead of the 307 could also be an option.
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Post by enviroPB on May 20, 2024 21:35:55 GMT
Could the 34’s & 307’s night services that they used to have be worth reintroducing? Alternatively having the 313 becoming a night service instead of the 307 could also be an option. Probably yes to the 34, no to the 307. The former generated trips outside of using Night Tube, the 307 struggled to drum patronage due to the residential areas it served. The N20 also has been extended to Barnet Hospital, so there really isn't any need for a second night bus at night. To date, TfL have never had a night route cross the Greater London boundary. The only exception to this is the N279 which barely branches out of the M25, but many suspect it's down to TfL owning Waltham Cross bus station. I'd sooner give other cross boundary routes like the 96 and 142 24 hour operation over the 313. That being said, a 313N may do well west of Ponders End. |
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