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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 12, 2024 20:56:09 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2024 21:06:31 GMT
I wonder how this will be managed, do you have to have a cycle to get on or can anyone just get on for free? Will be interesting to see. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 12, 2024 21:09:31 GMT
I wonder how this will be managed, do you have to have a cycle to get on or can anyone just get on for free? Will be interesting to see. I did raise that in the consultation! Saying it should be free for anybody regardless if they have one or not! |
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Post by redbus on Jul 12, 2024 22:32:09 GMT
Why should it be free especially as the bus shuttle service will cost money to operate? Other regular bus services in London cost to use, so I don't see why this one should be free.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 13, 2024 9:08:12 GMT
Why should it be free especially as the bus shuttle service will cost money to operate? Other regular bus services in London cost to use, so I don't see why this one should be free. That is more to do with the tolling consultation for the Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel where there will be alot of different discounts and concessions, e.g. even the normal bus routes look like they will be free for at least 12 months. If this route is going to be every 12mins I suspect the PVR cannot be more than 4. It is not clear from the report whether this will be new purpose built electrics or existing electrics with modifications (e.g. ex 360/444 buses). If is the former, you might as well have articulated buses as you are not making bulk order savings even though you save on seats etc, so get something that can have more space. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 13, 2024 9:31:52 GMT
Why should it be free especially as the bus shuttle service will cost money to operate? Other regular bus services in London cost to use, so I don't see why this one should be free. Yes and if its going to cost £4 to drive through then why should it be free on a bike. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2024 11:00:33 GMT
Why should it be free especially as the bus shuttle service will cost money to operate? Other regular bus services in London cost to use, so I don't see why this one should be free. That is more to do with the tolling consultation for the Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel where there will be alot of different discounts and concessions, e.g. even the normal bus routes look like they will be free for at least 12 months. If this route is going to be every 12mins I suspect the PVR cannot be more than 4. It is not clear from the report whether this will be new purpose built electrics or existing electrics with modifications (e.g. ex 360/444 buses). If is the former, you might as well have articulated buses as you are not making bulk order savings even though you save on seats etc, so get something that can have more space. I really hope they don't waste money on purpose built buses at least until they have a better idea on usage of the service.
Personally I can't see the service being a success and it might last a year or two at the most.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2024 15:22:19 GMT
That is more to do with the tolling consultation for the Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel where there will be alot of different discounts and concessions, e.g. even the normal bus routes look like they will be free for at least 12 months. If this route is going to be every 12mins I suspect the PVR cannot be more than 4. It is not clear from the report whether this will be new purpose built electrics or existing electrics with modifications (e.g. ex 360/444 buses). If is the former, you might as well have articulated buses as you are not making bulk order savings even though you save on seats etc, so get something that can have more space. I really hope they don't waste money on purpose built buses at least until they have a better idea on usage of the service.
Personally I can't see the service being a success and it might last a year or two at the most.
If they are not purpose built or at least purpose designed, how will they take bikes? |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2024 16:25:41 GMT
I really hope they don't waste money on purpose built buses at least until they have a better idea on usage of the service.
Personally I can't see the service being a success and it might last a year or two at the most.
If they are not purpose built or at least purpose designed, how will they take bikes? They can adjust existing buses like the former Red Arrow Electrics. This is TfL so I expect them to waste money on very unique custom built buses. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 13, 2024 16:45:48 GMT
If they are not purpose built or at least purpose designed, how will they take bikes? They can adjust existing buses like the former Red Arrow Electrics. This is TfL so I expect them to waste money on very unique custom built buses. It would be very easy to install bike racks in the front section of a former Red Arrow SEe, with cyclists using the seating in the rear section during the journey. Bike racks are common on trains now and it would be easy to adapt a design for buses. London Transport did have specialist vehicles constructed for the Dartford Tunnel when the original bore opened in 1963. These had an open bike rack where the lower deck should have been (it was accessed from a platform) and an enclosed top deck with the seating accommodation. The service was poorly used and the vehicles were withdrawn after a few years. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 13, 2024 17:56:31 GMT
That is more to do with the tolling consultation for the Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel where there will be alot of different discounts and concessions, e.g. even the normal bus routes look like they will be free for at least 12 months. If this route is going to be every 12mins I suspect the PVR cannot be more than 4. It is not clear from the report whether this will be new purpose built electrics or existing electrics with modifications (e.g. ex 360/444 buses). If is the former, you might as well have articulated buses as you are not making bulk order savings even though you save on seats etc, so get something that can have more space. I really hope they don't waste money on purpose built buses at least until they have a better idea on usage of the service.
Personally I can't see the service being a success and it might last a year or two at the most.
I believe the service has to continue beyond the free year -- one of the conditions iirc for the tunnel being approved was alternatives for cyclists (and possibly pedestrians) given the non inclusion of cycling provisions. This didn't have to be a shuttle bus -- in fact, the consultation also asked people whether they would in the long-term consider a ferry which would likely be far more attractive for cyclists and pedestrians if it's done like in Amsterdam. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2024 1:00:30 GMT
They can adjust existing buses like the former Red Arrow Electrics. This is TfL so I expect them to waste money on very unique custom built buses. It would be very easy to install bike racks in the front section of a former Red Arrow SEe, with cyclists using the seating in the rear section during the journey. Bike racks are common on trains now and it would be easy to adapt a design for buses. London Transport did have specialist vehicles constructed for the Dartford Tunnel when the original bore opened in 1963. These had an open bike rack where the lower deck should have been (it was accessed from a platform) and an enclosed top deck with the seating accommodation. The service was poorly used and the vehicles were withdrawn after a few years. Rather than reducing capacity, could they not copy what the RMA’s did and have a trailer behind for bikes? |
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Post by mark on Jul 14, 2024 12:08:08 GMT
It would be very easy to install bike racks in the front section of a former Red Arrow SEe, with cyclists using the seating in the rear section during the journey. Bike racks are common on trains now and it would be easy to adapt a design for buses. London Transport did have specialist vehicles constructed for the Dartford Tunnel when the original bore opened in 1963. These had an open bike rack where the lower deck should have been (it was accessed from a platform) and an enclosed top deck with the seating accommodation. The service was poorly used and the vehicles were withdrawn after a few years. Rather than reducing capacity, could they not copy what the RMA’s did and have a trailer behind for bikes? Trailers were considered and ruled out - I’m not sure why. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 14, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
Rather than reducing capacity, could they not copy what the RMA’s did and have a trailer behind for bikes? Trailers were considered and ruled out - I’m not sure why. Cyclists like to stay with their bikes and the risk of bikes falling onto the road. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 14, 2024 20:30:09 GMT
Very intrigued to see what number this route will have. I wouldn’t say it’s a coventional route, so I reckon it won’t have a number between 1 and 499.
Maybe a number in the 500’s seeing as 5xx numbers are being phased out on regular day time routes?
Or a 900’s number as it’s a mobility route for bicycles?😂
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