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Post by cc2005 on Jan 24, 2007 12:12:45 GMT
With the use and branding of the name "Overground" with the LT roundel for TfL London Overground/London Rail services (i.e. the North London Line and East London Line), will this not result in a legal stake to the name "Overground" by First, who use the same name for their bus services?
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 24, 2007 13:27:55 GMT
Seem to have read somewhere, that in the 1920's there was an "Overground" bus company. That would have been amalgamated into the old LPTB, which became LT. So TFL could possibly have the rights to the name. If that is the case, First have a good case for saying "Why didn't you bring this up before?" The answer will be:"Red Ken has spoken-so change your name." A better option would be to re-name the North london Line the "Outer Circle", which if you look at the old pre second world war Underground maps, it virtually follows.Call the East london Line the South Circular, if it reaches Clapham Junction as is proposed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 14:14:23 GMT
london under grownd is so good i do have some intrest in trains london is so crowed i dont know how there can do it
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 15:36:29 GMT
Isn't the colouring on the London Overground roundel the same as is used at Victoria Coach Station?
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Post by John tuthill on May 30, 2007 16:10:37 GMT
minijay-you climb up, take a sample and tell us!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 0:12:40 GMT
haha... ill jst take my helicopter over there and pull the thing off the wall, then let you kno... it looks the same to me though... judging by the signs at dalston junction
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 17:07:00 GMT
From the 11th November, when TfL take over Silverlink services, will station signs be changed to Orange roundels, and will the trains still carry the Silverlink/ Silverlink Metro livery?
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Post by ts on Nov 4, 2007 18:56:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 15:18:46 GMT
Apparently the "underground" extension to Croydon will run via forest hill, sydenham etc, which is meant to be part of the "overground" line, but to me this seems pointless - since the national rail services already follows a similar route - does anyone else feel that TFL should have extended the Victoria line from Brixton into Croydon, thus providing an underground link to one of the more populated Southern London areas, unlike Morden!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 11:08:57 GMT
The London Overground will indeed be extended from New Cross Gate to West Croydon via Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham (with a branch from here terminating at Crystal Palace), Penge West, Anerley, Norwood Junction and West Croydon, but I believe the Overground would take over the National Rail services along the said route, running up through the Phase 1 extension of Shoreditch High Street - Hoxton - Haggerston - Dalston Junction - Highbury & Islington to Caledonian Road & Barnsbury/ Camden Road (?). I did hear once of a proposed extension of the Bakerloo line to Herne Hill or Tulse Hill, via Camberwell... but it was shelved. Theres also this mock-up map of a proposed Northern Line extension from Morden:
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 18, 2007 12:23:08 GMT
The London Overground will indeed be extended from New Cross Gate to West Croydon via Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham (with a branch from here terminating at Crystal Palace), Penge West, Anerley, Norwood Junction and West Croydon, but I believe the Overground would take over the National Rail services along the said route, running up through the Phase 1 extension of Shoreditch High Street - Hoxton - Haggerston - Dalston Junction - Highbury & Islington to Caledonian Road & Barnsbury/ Camden Road (?). I did hear once of a proposed extension of the Bakerloo line to Herne Hill or Tulse Hill, via Camberwell... but it was shelved. Theres also this mock-up map of a proposed Northern Line extension from Morden: The Bakerloo was projected to Camberwell Green before the last war, but the power of the Southern Railway stopped it. One reason given was the ground was too wet to drill thru' A similar problem was encountered during the Victoria line works around Vauxhall. They froze the ground, drilled the tunnels, and line the bores with waterproof linings. Didn't know of a similar project for the Northern line, would have thought there are enough buses and overground trains not to warrant the costs involved. To realise the power of the Southern Railway pre 1948, just look at the number of lines south of the river!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 13:40:03 GMT
Apparently the "underground" extension to Croydon will run via forest hill, sydenham etc, which is meant to be part of the "overground" line, but to me this seems pointless - since the national rail services already follows a similar route - does anyone else feel that TFL should have extended the Victoria line from Brixton into Croydon, thus providing an underground link to one of the more populated Southern London areas, unlike Morden! I doubt it - the Victoria line is bursting to capacity as it is, and there isn't the room or the capital for extension as it would put extra pressure on the rest of the line. LT did propose to run the Vic to Croydon (and beyond to Selsdon and neighbouring areas) before they built it but due to lack of money this did not happen. This was cancelled along with other plans to run the line to Fulham as well. The Bakerloo was projected to Camberwell Green before the last war, but the power of the Southern Railway stopped it. One reason given was the ground was too wet to drill thru' A similar problem was encountered during the Victoria line works around Vauxhall. They froze the ground, drilled the tunnels, and line the bores with waterproof linings. Didn't know of a similar project for the Northern line, would have thought there are enough buses and overground trains not to warrant the costs involved. To realise the power of the Southern Railway pre 1948, just look at the number of lines south of the river!! This wasn't the only problem - in addition to the wet ground problem around Vauxhall, workers there encountered problems of the supernatural they kept reporting sightings of a ghost while drilling through the ground...
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Post by jrussa on Dec 18, 2007 18:28:41 GMT
Apparently the "underground" extension to Croydon will run via forest hill, sydenham etc, which is meant to be part of the "overground" line, but to me this seems pointless - since the national rail services already follows a similar route - does anyone else feel that TFL should have extended the Victoria line from Brixton into Croydon, thus providing an underground link to one of the more populated Southern London areas, unlike Morden! I do beleive as well that the Victoria Line should extend from Brixton. I was thinking about extending to Gatwick to allow another alternative instead of the Gatwick Express or National Rail. But obviously it will lead to financial difficulties!!! I like the proposed Norhen Line extension to Sutton. At least it has a LU line serving it and hopefully if the Croydon Tam extends to Sutton. It will develop Sutton Town Centre and create more connections! I do find the extension of the Est London Line to Croydon a bit strange, following the National Rail line. I would have been better if the line extended from New Cross Gate to Croydon calling at Deptford Bridge, Lewisham, Rushy Green, Catford Garage, Beckenham Hill, Beckenham Road, Penge Pawleyne Arms, Anerley, Anerley Hill, Crystal Palace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 20:13:25 GMT
Apparently the "underground" extension to Croydon will run via forest hill, sydenham etc, which is meant to be part of the "overground" line, but to me this seems pointless - since the national rail services already follows a similar route - does anyone else feel that TFL should have extended the Victoria line from Brixton into Croydon, thus providing an underground link to one of the more populated Southern London areas, unlike Morden! I do beleive as well that the Victoria Line should extend from Brixton. I was thinking about extending to Gatwick to allow another alternative instead of the Gatwick Express or National Rail. But obviously it will lead to financial difficulties!!! I like the proposed Norhen Line extension to Sutton. At least it has a LU line serving it and hopefully if the Croydon Tam extends to Sutton. It will develop Sutton Town Centre and create more connections! I do find the extension of the Est London Line to Croydon a bit strange, following the National Rail line. I would have been better if the line extended from New Cross Gate to Croydon calling at Deptford Bridge, Lewisham, Rushy Green, Catford Garage, Beckenham Hill, Beckenham Road, Penge Pawleyne Arms, Anerley, Anerley Hill, Crystal Palace. Good gravy A Victoria line extension to Gatwick - you can't be serious ;D Didn't you read my post before yours, lol ;D It's not just the financial difficulties, its just faaaaar too long to keep a realistic headway between trains, and as you said there's the Gatwick Express and Nat Rail so it's pointless. I was going to try and find a larger ' ' to emphasise my point further but I can't find any
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 23:33:42 GMT
Hi - I am back!!!!
Now that solution would have required a lot more infrastructure costs, that the mayor could not afford, whilst gaining maximum PR. I can not see that the E. London Line extension offers little more than the choice of more direct stations you do not want to go to!!! Best to keep more direct trains from Croydon to London Bridge in my opinion and save all the development costs. The Lewisham line sound like something more fro Tramlink or DLR - well hopefully!
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