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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 20:47:07 GMT
The Line will branch of at Surrey Canal Road Junction, Where a propsed station will be built if funding is confirmed and then Queens Road Peckham, Peckham Rye, Denmark Hill, Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road & Clapham Junction. - The route taken is from the Inner South London Line currently operated by Southern. Thanks TA1 I see there are still no opportunity to build a station at Brixton or Loughborough Junction to interchange with the Victoria Line and Thameslink services. I know they cited the fact that with both stations being on bridges and viaducts, it would be costly but it would open more links up. If not, you have the disused East Brixton Station which could be built as an alternative interchange. It's because the London Overground is based on using as little new track as possible. The East London Line essentially used very little new track, aside from a bit between Shoreditch and Highbury and Islington to make the Orbital Loop, and a bit to link Surrey Quays to the Inner South London line. Most of the other lines are ex-Silverlink lines, and therefore again using existing track. Extending to Brixton could use existing lines which run Victoria to Bromley South services, but then that would probably block fast services along that line. EDIT: Jesus, I've just seen how old the post I was replying to is. My apologies all.
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Post by mre81 on Dec 3, 2012 21:14:50 GMT
Overground trains now have new route diagrams and new tube maps internally to reflect the Surrey Quays-Clapham Junction extension, which is starting on Sunday I noticed those all last week. Orbital Network Now Completed . Will the trains run from the New Cross Depot? They've done some nice posters and artwork "the circle is now complete" I believe all the trains on the extension will run from New Cross. I remember reading somewhere that is has been enlarged to accept all the new trains....
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Post by mre81 on Dec 3, 2012 21:17:36 GMT
Thanks TA1 I see there are still no opportunity to build a station at Brixton or Loughborough Junction to interchange with the Victoria Line and Thameslink services. I know they cited the fact that with both stations being on bridges and viaducts, it would be costly but it would open more links up. If not, you have the disused East Brixton Station which could be built as an alternative interchange. It's because the London Overground is based on using as little new track as possible. The East London Line essentially used very little new track, aside from a bit between Shoreditch and Highbury and Islington to make the Orbital Loop, and a bit to link Surrey Quays to the Inner South London line. Most of the other lines are ex-Silverlink lines, and therefore again using existing track. Extending to Brixton could use existing lines which run Victoria to Bromley South services, but then that would probably block fast services along that line. EDIT: Jesus, I've just seen how old the post I was replying to is. My apologies all. I'm sure if there was political will (and money!) stations at Loughborough Junction and Brixton could be built. It seems a shame to miss the opportunities for really useful interchanges that could be put in place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 21:20:18 GMT
It's because the London Overground is based on using as little new track as possible. The East London Line essentially used very little new track, aside from a bit between Shoreditch and Highbury and Islington to make the Orbital Loop, and a bit to link Surrey Quays to the Inner South London line. Most of the other lines are ex-Silverlink lines, and therefore again using existing track. Extending to Brixton could use existing lines which run Victoria to Bromley South services, but then that would probably block fast services along that line. EDIT: Jesus, I've just seen how old the post I was replying to is. My apologies all. I'm sure if there was political will (and money!) stations at Loughborough Junction and Brixton could be built. It seems a shame to miss the opportunities for really useful interchanges that could be put in place. It does, but I think the London Overground project is out of the spotlight now. I can't see anything major happening to it for a while, though obv. I could be proven wrong!
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Post by mre81 on Dec 3, 2012 21:40:11 GMT
I'm sure if there was political will (and money!) stations at Loughborough Junction and Brixton could be built. It seems a shame to miss the opportunities for really useful interchanges that could be put in place. It does, but I think the London Overground project is out of the spotlight now. I can't see anything major happening to it for a while, though obv. I could be proven wrong! I'm not so sure. The Overground is now so popular, and passenger numbers are constantly and consistently growing. It will expand again I'm sure, but not certain how. My favoured theory is that it will eventually begin to take over other 'national rail' services throughout London. Only time will tell though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 22:23:58 GMT
It does, but I think the London Overground project is out of the spotlight now. I can't see anything major happening to it for a while, though obv. I could be proven wrong! I'm not so sure. The Overground is now so popular, and passenger numbers are constantly and consistently growing. It will expand again I'm sure, but not certain how. My favoured theory is that it will eventually begin to take over other 'national rail' services throughout London. Only time will tell though I do hope they do, but the number of suitable candidates aren't many. There was some talk of the Catford Loop line getting taken over at one point, though I think with the FCC changes it never went ahead. Some of Southeastern's large number of Metro services would probably be suitable, saying that. However, the main point about the Overground is that it builds new links - like the East London Line did. Just taking over lightly-used suburban rail services probably wouldn't have much point.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 3, 2012 23:45:41 GMT
Thanks TA1 I see there are still no opportunity to build a station at Brixton or Loughborough Junction to interchange with the Victoria Line and Thameslink services. I know they cited the fact that with both stations being on bridges and viaducts, it would be costly but it would open more links up. If not, you have the disused East Brixton Station which could be built as an alternative interchange. It's because the London Overground is based on using as little new track as possible. The East London Line essentially used very little new track, aside from a bit between Shoreditch and Highbury and Islington to make the Orbital Loop, and a bit to link Surrey Quays to the Inner South London line. Most of the other lines are ex-Silverlink lines, and therefore again using existing track. Extending to Brixton could use existing lines which run Victoria to Bromley South services, but then that would probably block fast services along that line. EDIT: Jesus, I've just seen how old the post I was replying to is. My apologies all. Building a new station at Loughborough Junction would not require any extra track as it would of been built on the existing line that passes over the Thameslink platform at Loughborough Junction. Same thing applies to Brixton where it would be built on the existing line that crosses over the Southern Line at Brixton. Again, if the disused East Brixton station was used, that is also on the same line, just next to the Barrington Road railway bridge. All in all, no new track would be needed and surely the cost of building on a high railwayn arched line outweighs the much needed benefits of important interchanges at Brixton and Loughborough Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 23:47:44 GMT
i got an idea...
convert all of met express lines to london overground
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Post by snowman on Dec 4, 2012 12:28:11 GMT
In the latest 10 year plan, there is a proposal to lengthen all the overground trains by 1 carriage www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/26396.aspxRegarding the route extensions : 1) there are proposals to extend from Highbury to Camden Road (where Eastbound trains would use other side of island platform and middle one become a central reversing line), but the road bridge needs expensively widening so it is on hold as unfunded 2) Possible extension from Clapham Jct via Barnes to Kew Bridge (and re-electrifying the spur towards Acton) to allow an outer circle. There are problems with conflicting movements Clapham-Barnes which would involve expensive works to fix (one idea was to slew the lines to Wandsworth onto disused sidings, with extra westbound on up side then partly reuse part of the spur from Putney bridge to create a flyover, but a flyover or flyunder at Barnes also needed) 3) Electrification of the Gospel Oak-Barking section, then extending trains towards Willesden (needs expensive track lowering in Walthamstow, and has capacity limitations due to freight trains) As far as I'm aware these all remain as unfunded proposals
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2012 13:13:12 GMT
In the latest 10 year plan, there is a proposal to lengthen all the overground trains by 1 carriage www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/26396.aspxRegarding the route extensions : 1) there are proposals to extend from Highbury to Camden Road (where Eastbound trains would use other side of island platform and middle one become a central reversing line), but the road bridge needs expensively widening so it is on hold as unfunded 2) Possible extension from Clapham Jct via Barnes to Kew Bridge (and re-electrifying the spur towards Acton) to allow an outer circle. There are problems with conflicting movements Clapham-Barnes which would involve expensive works to fix (one idea was to slew the lines to Wandsworth onto disused sidings, with extra westbound on up side then partly reuse part of the spur from Putney bridge to create a flyover, but a flyover or flyunder at Barnes also needed) 3) Electrification of the Gospel Oak-Barking section, then extending trains towards Willesden (needs expensive track lowering in Walthamstow, and has capacity limitations due to freight trains) As far as I'm aware these all remain as unfunded proposals So they have no problem proposing these expensive ideas but won't propose a station at Loughborough Junction and one at Brixton - ludicrous. Thameslink at Loughborough Junction and the Victoria Line provide two very important interchanges.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 13:26:21 GMT
In the latest 10 year plan, there is a proposal to lengthen all the overground trains by 1 carriage www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/26396.aspxRegarding the route extensions : 1) there are proposals to extend from Highbury to Camden Road (where Eastbound trains would use other side of island platform and middle one become a central reversing line), but the road bridge needs expensively widening so it is on hold as unfunded 2) Possible extension from Clapham Jct via Barnes to Kew Bridge (and re-electrifying the spur towards Acton) to allow an outer circle. There are problems with conflicting movements Clapham-Barnes which would involve expensive works to fix (one idea was to slew the lines to Wandsworth onto disused sidings, with extra westbound on up side then partly reuse part of the spur from Putney bridge to create a flyover, but a flyover or flyunder at Barnes also needed) 3) Electrification of the Gospel Oak-Barking section, then extending trains towards Willesden (needs expensive track lowering in Walthamstow, and has capacity limitations due to freight trains) As far as I'm aware these all remain as unfunded proposals So they have no problem proposing these expensive ideas but won't propose a station at Loughborough Junction and one at Brixton - ludicrous. Thameslink at Loughborough Junction and the Victoria Line provide two very important interchanges. Proposing extra carriages on what must be the most crowded railway lines in London isn't ludicrous at all, really. It's clear TFL are considering all the options here. The East London Line probably can't take many more trains than it has now - adding a new Brixton branch won't help that. The other trains on the line are also very popular, so there's not really an option of cutting one of those. As it happens, Brixton is connected to far more places by some form of transport than some other places - there's a large number of bus services, a fairly good National Rail service and the Victoria line. Meanwhile, Loughborough Jcn. has Thameslink, which is a very strong rail link. Most places on the Overground don't have these sorts of links, hence why the Overground came to fruition as an idea. Extending the GOBLIN makes sense - Gospel Oak is hardly a major transport hub. Electrification would save money in the long run as DMUs are less efficient than EMUs. Loughborough Junction and Brixton both have much better railway links than most places along the GOBLIN line. The outer orbital loop idea is also a decent idea, which would suburban areas better links than they often have now.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2012 14:45:21 GMT
'mredd' - as I said in a previous post, it would not be a new Brixton branch. The Overground line passes over the Southern line platforms to Orpington at Brixton, same thing at Loughborough Junction - the Overground line passes over the Thameslink platforms. Using the disused East Brixton station, that's already on the Overground line. The South East has much fewer links and connections when compared to North London and whilst Brixton has a good bus network, both it & Loughborough Junction are becoming very important places as people move out from Central London to Brixton & Loughborough Junction as they have cheaper house prices and rental prices than the City and are a short distance from the City.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 16:21:49 GMT
'mredd' - as I said in a previous post, it would not be a new Brixton branch. The Overground line passes over the Southern line platforms to Orpington at Brixton... Southeastern operates train services to/from Brixton- not Southern Another idea could be to reopen the unused platforms at Brixton, the ones on the rarely used branch to Denmark Hill (most trains use the branch that goes over CPW and Vodafone)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 18:43:44 GMT
'mredd' - as I said in a previous post, it would not be a new Brixton branch. The Overground line passes over the Southern line platforms to Orpington at Brixton, same thing at Loughborough Junction - the Overground line passes over the Thameslink platforms. Using the disused East Brixton station, that's already on the Overground line. The South East has much fewer links and connections when compared to North London and whilst Brixton has a good bus network, both it & Loughborough Junction are becoming very important places as people move out from Central London to Brixton & Loughborough Junction as they have cheaper house prices and rental prices than the City and are a short distance from the City. I meant a new branch on the Overground, not new track. The ELL will be basically at capacity with the new Clapham Junction branch, so very little capacity to run it down there. Reducing trains on there isn't really an option either - in the peaks they're absolutely crammed full. Of course, a lot of areas are as important as Brixton but don't have half as good transport links. I'm fully aware of the gentrification of the South East, I live here East London has fairly few transport links in comparison to places the South East, and in fact I find the East London transport is crammed twice as full as that of most of South East London. Central London's obviously a different case, hence why the Victoria line ends up crammed up - but the 25 seems to be permanently full at all times of day, and it has a PVR of 59. I do hope that Crossrail will eventually alleviate that, but I can't see why TFL would keep prioritising the South East - we have fairly good transport down here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 18:51:03 GMT
'mredd' - as I said in a previous post, it would not be a new Brixton branch. The Overground line passes over the Southern line platforms to Orpington at Brixton... Southeastern operates train services to/from Brixton- not Southern Another idea could be to reopen the unused platforms at Brixton, the ones on the rarely used branch to Denmark Hill (most trains use the branch that goes over CPW and Vodafone) What rarely used branch to Denmark Hill?
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