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Post by M1104 on Aug 17, 2007 20:40:00 GMT
Why aren't the Northern Line's 95 stock as quick off the mark as the Jubille and Central Line versions? Some of them sound as if they struggle a bit when moving off.
Even the 59 stock, which they ran side by side with for a while were a bit quicker from 0 to 30mph, or whatever sped they generally travel at..
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Post by M1104 on Aug 17, 2007 20:51:43 GMT
Also on the Northern Line (bank branch), why do trains appear to switch tunnel sides between Bank and Moorgate? At Bank (and London Bridge) all trains arrive at the station with the platfrom on the left yet at Moorgate (and Old Street) it's on the right. Could never understand why.
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 18, 2007 9:54:03 GMT
Also on the Northern Line (bank branch), why do trains appear to switch tunnel sides between Bank and Moorgate? At Bank (and London Bridge) all trains arrive at the station with the platform on the left yet at Moorgate (and Old Street) it's on the right. Could never understand why. When the tube lines were originally built, they had to follow the line of the road, building owners were afraid the foundations may be damaged. So, the line follows the road, around the Bank of England, one tunnel was run on top of the other, and the engineering was easier to carry on, hence the change of platform sides. regarding following the line of the road, it's also obvious on the Central Line between Bank & Liverpool Street, and on the Bakerloo line from Piccadilly Circus.
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Post by jrussa on Aug 19, 2007 0:50:20 GMT
Yeah that is true! The Northern Line could approach and speed much faster. But I think that Line is ok, just needs adjustments, like any other line!! ding, dong! This is Goodge Street This train terminates at Mill East Hill This train is ready to depart, please mind the door ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, (doors closed) The reason why I choosed Goodge Street is because my dad use to work on Tottenham Street (opposite Habitat and Heals) that road! - Is the Northern Line the only line to announce "This train is ready to depart, please mind the doors" without the driver having to say it? I must give credit to the Northern Line for the way how Kennington and Camden Town Stations platforms are like! BTW: I heard that there was alot of proposals for Northern Line! Like an extension from Mill Hill East and Edgware + Finsbury Park! Do you guys know where these extensions would have gone? Finally I heard that one time they wanted to extend the Central Line from West Ruslip to Denham! Is this true and where is Denham?
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 19, 2007 11:39:21 GMT
Yeah that is true! The Northern Line could approach and speed much faster. But I think that Line is ok, just needs adjustments, like any other line!! ding, dong! This is Goodge Street This train terminates at Mill East Hill This train is ready to depart, please mind the door ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, (doors closed) The reason why I choosed Goodge Street is because my dad use to work on Tottenham Street (opposite Habitat and Heals) that road! - Is the Northern Line the only line to announce "This train is ready to depart, please mind the doors" without the driver having to say it? I must give credit to the Northern Line for the way how Kennington and Camden Town Stations platforms are like! BTW: I heard that there was alot of proposals for Northern Line! Like an extension from Mill Hill East and Edgware + Finsbury Park! Do you guys know where these extensions would have gone? Finally I heard that one time they wanted to extend the Central Line from West Ruslip to Denham! Is this true and where is Denham? Denham is the next stop up the line from West Ruislip, very handy it would have been for the Alexander Korda film studios. Now youngman I suggest you Google and enter norther line-northern height' you'll be surprised what you'll find. Also Capital Transport have an excellent book about the Northern Line north of Edgware. Clue-What was Aldenham originally intended for?One very ambitious plan in the early 1900s, was to extend the Metropolitan Railway to Oxford!! This would have happened via Verney Junction and Banbury.
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Post by greeny253 on Aug 19, 2007 16:10:48 GMT
Yeah that is true! The Northern Line could approach and speed much faster. But I think that Line is ok, just needs adjustments, like any other line!! ding, dong! This is Goodge Street This train terminates at Mill East Hill This train is ready to depart, please mind the door ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, (doors closed) The reason why I choosed Goodge Street is because my dad use to work on Tottenham Street (opposite Habitat and Heals) that road! - Is the Northern Line the only line to announce "This train is ready to depart, please mind the doors" without the driver having to say it? I must give credit to the Northern Line for the way how Kennington and Camden Town Stations platforms are like! BTW: I heard that there was alot of proposals for Northern Line! Like an extension from Mill Hill East and Edgware + Finsbury Park! Do you guys know where these extensions would have gone? Finally I heard that one time they wanted to extend the Central Line from West Ruslip to Denham! Is this true and where is Denham? I do believe that the Northern Line is indeed the only one that is fully automated to my knowledge - but I think they may be gearing towards this for the district line as well.
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Post by ts on Aug 20, 2007 19:39:39 GMT
Finally I heard that one time they wanted to extend the Central Line from West Ruslip to Denham! Is this true and where is Denham? If you ever get on the 331 from Uxbridge and stay on it all the way to Ruislip, you'll have gone past Denham.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 21, 2007 21:03:16 GMT
Yeah that is true! The Northern Line could approach and speed much faster. But I think that Line is ok, just needs adjustments, like any other line!! ding, dong! This is Goodge Street This train terminates at Mill East Hill This train is ready to depart, please mind the door ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, (doors closed) The reason why I choosed Goodge Street is because my dad use to work on Tottenham Street (opposite Habitat and Heals) that road! - Is the Northern Line the only line to announce "This train is ready to depart, please mind the doors" without the driver having to say it? I must give credit to the Northern Line for the way how Kennington and Camden Town Stations platforms are like! BTW: I heard that there was alot of proposals for Northern Line! Like an extension from Mill Hill East and Edgware + Finsbury Park! Do you guys know where these extensions would have gone? Finally I heard that one time they wanted to extend the Central Line from West Ruslip to Denham! Is this true and where is Denham? I do believe that the Northern Line is indeed the only one that is fully automated to my knowledge - but I think they may be gearing towards this for the district line as well. The Victoria Line's been automated nearly all its operational life, ie since the late 60s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2007 21:31:50 GMT
the victoria line is Automatic Train Operation (ATO) along with the Central Line.
The Jubilee should be next year, the Northern 2012 and Piccadily 2014.
The Northern line trains are restricted to 62% as are the Jubilee trains until they have ATO.
There are no current Northern or Central line extension proposals.
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Post by greeny253 on Aug 21, 2007 21:43:54 GMT
the victoria line is Automatic Train Operation (ATO) along with the Central Line. The Jubilee should be next year, the Northern 2012 and Piccadily 2014. The Northern line trains are restricted to 62% as are the Jubilee trains until they have ATO. There are no current Northern or Central line extension proposals. Haven't got a clue when it comes to LUL. What is ATO in simple terms please?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2007 22:14:32 GMT
The train drives it self after getting a signal from the track via ATP (Automatic train Protection).
This replaces colour signals completely. The ATP system says Line Clear, Caution of Stop. And the train changes speed accordingly. The first fully ATO railway in the world was the Victoria Line in 1967.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 12:42:42 GMT
The train drives it self after getting a signal from the track via ATP (Automatic train Protection). This replaces colour signals completely. The ATP system says Line Clear, Caution of Stop. And the train changes speed accordingly. The first fully ATO railway in the world was the Victoria Line in 1967. I think the Victoria Line still uses conventional colour signals (albeit very few) for the benefit of engineers trains and the rare circumstances of 67 stock being manually worked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 19:14:25 GMT
for when manually worked, perhaps. The signals on platforms are to tell the t/op that he can close the doors and start the train. The engineers trains have the ATP system installed.
67 stock being manually operated manually rarely happens as they can only go 25mph in manual. When a driver enters a station holding a handle, it is the emergency stop handle, in case the train overruns.
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Post by cc2005 on Aug 23, 2007 11:55:58 GMT
The only proposal on the Northern Line I've heard of is to split it permanently into 2 sections at ALL times of day, Kennington trains run ONLY to Edgware, and Morden services run ONLY to Mill Hill East/High Barnet. Apparently to prevent the bottleneck at Camden Town where trains have to cross each other's paths, causing congestion.
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 23, 2007 12:31:11 GMT
The only proposal on the Northern Line I've heard of is to split it permanently into 2 sections at ALL times of day, Kennington trains run ONLY to Edgware, and Morden services run ONLY to Mill Hill East/High Barnet. Apparently to prevent the bottleneck at Camden Town where trains have to cross each other's paths, causing congestion. The congestion is nowadays cause by the number of people using Camden Town. If you look at a diagram of the interconnecting tunnels at Camden Town, you can work out that for trains can use the junction simultaneously. It's worked for years, until the recent derailment, when someone tried to use a straight section of rail, forcing it into the chairs to fit a curve!! Increased train frequency will no doubt require some alterations, but that can be overcome by diagramming the service to fit.
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